Fall 2014: Applying to Academic Centers and Intl Gifted Programs

September 27, 2014 at 7:15 pm 266 comments

ACs

As a quick review, Academic Centers are for 7-8th grade (apply in 6th grade.)  Entry into an AC guarantees you a high school spot in that school (and you can still apply to other schools for high school if you wish.) Students can earn up to 8 HS credits while in an AC.

International Gifted Programs are for grades 6-8 (apply in 5th grade.)  The program includes intensive study of English, French, social studies, laboratory science, mathematics, technology, arts, physical education, library science, and advanced research. The International Gifted Program is designed to allow intellectually able students to be schooled in their least restrictive environment and to mature at an accelerated pace.

OPEN HOUSE SCHEDULE

Academic Centers

(No dates listed for Taft, Morgan Park yet)

Harlan Academic Center
9652 S. Michigan Ave

Oct 18 10-11:30 am
Nov 15 10-11:30 am

Kenwood Academic Center
5015 S. Blackstone Ave.

Nov 8 10am- 12 noon

Lane Tech Academic Center
2501 W. Addison St.

Nov 2 10am – 12 noon

Lindblom Academic Center
6130 S. Wolcott St.

Nov 1 10am – 11:30am

Young Academic Center
211 S. Laflin St.

Oct 19 10 a.m. to 12 noon

International Gifted Programs

Lincoln International Gifted Program
615 W. Kemper Pl.

Nov 4 9:15 am

Ogden International Gifted Program
1250 W. Erie St.

Oct 23 6-8pm

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Test Prep: Pros and Cons Fall 2014: Applying to High School

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  • 1. cpsobsessed  |  September 27, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    Link to cutoffs scores from last year:

    http://cpsoae.org/ourpages/auto/2010/10/12/50095471/Academic%20Center%20Cutoff%20Scores%202013-2014%20–%20Round%20One.pdf

  • 2. Chicago School GPS  |  September 27, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    The test is one and the same for IG/RGC/AC. It’s an aptitude based test, not achievement based. Lots of reasoning and working memory type questions.

  • 3. cpsobsessed  |  September 27, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    And the scoring rubric is here:

    http://cpsoae.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=72695&type=d&termREC_ID=&pREC_ID=142588

  • 4. cpsobsessed  |  September 27, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    Thanks, Chicago School GPS.
    FYI, I was discussing my own situation with Chicago School GPS, and they helpfully suggested that even if my son doesn’t apply to ACs for 7th grade (which it looks like we probably will not be doing) it can be worth starting to tour some high schools in 6-7th grade to avoid overload in 8th grade.

    I’m thinking we may start with the neighborhood high schools (Amundsen/LVHS perhaps Senn as he likes performance arts.) He still feels so young to be looking at high schools, but I know the talk about them is starting to gear up. In any case, I’ll be at the Hidden Gems Fair tomorrow to continue with the parent scope-out.

  • 5. falconergrad  |  September 27, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    So this is just a list of the ones with open houses scheduled? Taft and Morgan Park also have ACs, right? BTW, Taft is having a general open house to show off their building improvements:

    http://www.tafths.org/ourpages/auto/2014/9/23/51557423/Open%20House%20Flyer%202014.pdf

  • 6. cpsobsessed  |  September 27, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Thanks, @falconergrad, I realized my note about Taft and Morgan park was cut off. I assume they don’t have dates yet and/or didn’t get the info to CPS in time for the list.

  • 7. fh14  |  September 27, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    Can someone answer this for me please. If a student from an AC applies to another selective high school, does he/she lose their spot at the current high school which is otherwise guaranteed.

  • 8. pantherettie  |  September 27, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    Subscribing

  • 9. pantherettie  |  September 27, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    @7 – According to my dd’s counselor’s current AC students don’t lose their spots at their ‘home’ SEHS by merely applying to another school. An AC student loses his/her spot after he/she actually accepts an offer from another school and submits the paperwork to CPS.

  • 10. WRP Mom  |  September 28, 2014 at 6:47 am

    I concur. My daughter was in LTAC and is now a Lane freshman. Last year, a number of her AC classmates applied and were accepted at other high schools, like NSCP and Payton They definitely did not lose their spots at Lane just by applying. In fact, many turned down those offers and stayed at Lane.

  • 11. Christopher Ball (@skepticismwins)  |  September 28, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Is prior study of French a requirement, helpful, or irrelevant for acceptance at IGPs?

  • 12. WRP Mom  |  September 28, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Acceptance at both IG and AC’s are solely by point score. No prior knowledge of a foreign language is required.

    Here’s the OAE link:
    http://cpsoae.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=72695&type=d&termREC_ID=&pREC_ID=142588

  • 13. fam  |  September 28, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Any southsiders on here who commute to Lane Tech AC? Just wondering what the commute (school bus or otherwise) is like.

    Separate question: I have always heard that Lindblom’s building is open later for pickup of students. Do the kids have to be in a specific club or activity to be able to stay at school until a parent picks her/him up?

  • 14. Curious  |  September 28, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Forgive me if this is a foolish question, but can students apply for eighth grade AC admission? I always assumed entry was soley at the 7th grade level, but I know people sometimes move, transfer schools, etc. Does anyone know how (or if) ACs fills seats at the 8th grade level?

  • 15. Robin in WRP  |  September 28, 2014 at 11:28 am

    It would be worth having your child take the AC test as practice for the high school tests

  • 16. pantherettie  |  September 29, 2014 at 6:08 am

    My DD is at the Lindblom AC. Students can absolutely remain in the building until parents pick them up. They do not need to be participating in a club or organized activity. I’ve been there a couple of times for parent meetings or to pick up my dd around 6:30 and there are students in the building mostly in the library or foyer area. Most kids receive a text or call from their parents to come out to their car when they arrive, but some parents come into the building for pick up. If that’s the case, the security officer uses the PA to tell the kid to report to the foyer area to meet his/her ride. There is definitely not a “all out of the building at 4pm” atmosphere at the school.

  • 17. Esmom  |  September 29, 2014 at 6:14 am

    14, yes, I know two people who applied and got into LTAC in 8th grade a couple years ago.

  • 18. klm  |  September 29, 2014 at 7:30 am

    The 6-8 IG’s at Lincoln and Ogden are fairly infamous for the amount of homework.

    But, then again, it seems like there’s lots of homework at practically every CPS school with a “good” academic reputation, at least for/especially for those grades (SE or not).

    I know that at one of my kid’s RGC, some parents complained about the amount of homework, but when their younger kids subsequently went to schools like Burley, Hawthorne, etc., there was often just as much (or more in some grades) homework.

    We all know that the amount of homework has next to nothing to do with quality of learning, but the “right” kind of homework (the non-drill-and-kill, non-busy-work variety) can enhance and/or reinforce genuine learning. I’m fine with the “right kind” of critical-thinking homework (even when there’s lots of it), but I curse the “busy work” variety for making my kids hate school and learning, in general (but I still make them do it because it’s what they have to do to get a good grade, of course).

    Anybody have/had a kids in 6-8 IG? Was the homework “too much” and was it relevant, etc?

  • 19. west rogers park mom  |  September 29, 2014 at 9:42 am

    A few years ago (for the 2012-2013) school year, Lane accepted 30 kids to increase the size of their program. I think it was a one time thing.

    I know for a fact that Taft and Kenwood have accepted 8th graders in the past.

    As to taking the AC as ‘practice’ for the high school test, I don’t know what good it would do since the tests are so drastically different (aptitude v. achievement). But then again it can’t hurt.

  • 20. cpsobsessed  |  September 29, 2014 at 10:26 am

    http://www.cpsoae.org/Census%20Tract%20–%20Map_2015-2016.pdf

    New Tier map posted

  • 21. Robin in WRP  |  September 29, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    Regarding the homework, my daughter went to Decatur, then Whitney Young. There was often 2-3 hours of homework in 6-8th grades; the first day of high school, homework was over five hours.

  • 22. SoxSideIrish4  |  September 30, 2014 at 6:20 am

    CPS data error transmits wrong test scores http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/cps-test-score-glitch-met-20140929-story.html

  • 23. klm  |  September 30, 2014 at 7:20 am

    @21

    Ouch.

    I know homework is heavier pretty much everywhere, as opposed to “When I was a kid…,” but still.

    Sometimes I wonder if all the hours of homework aren’t more of a cultural “right of passage” (akin to crazy hours of medical residents –even when it’s shown that after a certain period, brains don’t work well enough to be 100% or even 80% effective) at certain schools, rather than something really necessary or even positively correlated to genuine learning.

    On the other hand, we all know people (that went to ‘tough’ HSs) that have said something like, “College was so easy, compared to HS –I had so much time to study and do the work, between classes.” While on the other hand, some kids that went to “easy” HSs are overwhelmed by all the work in college (they never had to develop good study or time organization skills). So, maybe there really is an upside.

    Give your daughter a hug.

  • 24. west rogers park mom  |  September 30, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Those with kids at Lane AC. I’ve been browsing the website and have some questions:

    Do they all eat lunch together or are they intermingled with the high schoolers?

    Do they get to pick any World Language or are they limited to only a few offered to AC kids?

    Do most of them take electives or do they opt for the Lane Tech AC Academy class?

    And most importantly – – – any regrets?

  • 25. Chris  |  September 30, 2014 at 10:37 am

    “the first day of high school, homework was over five hours”

    What did that consist of? Was it 200+ pages of reading? Was it 10 pages of written work? 300 algebra problems?

    I have no sense of what “5 hours of homework” means to different people–what is “5 hours” for one kid could be 2 or 10 for another, depending on the kid (mostly, I think, reading speed while maintaining comprehension) and the work.

  • 26. AE  |  September 30, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    @ 24

    I have a seventh grader at LTAC this year. So far, very happy with our decision. Great teachers. Very nice group of kids. We had a small issue with my child’s lack of organizational skills at the start of the year, but the teacher was very fast to email me to discuss. I was very reluctant to leave our RGC (we were happy there), but am now totally on board w/ Lane.

    In answer to your questions:

    Lunch is in the regular cafeteria (high schoolers eat there too — although b/c Lane is an open campus I imagine most upper classmen eat off-site). My son walked into the cafeteria on the first day by himself, lunch in hand, and said he had no problem finding a few seventh graders to eat with. He now reports that the seventh graders during his lunch period all sit together at the same three tables. The kids really seem to all get along, are friendly and inclusive.

    I believe the LTAC kids can pick from any of the World Languages offered (there are many). The most popular languages (Spanish, for example) have enough AC kids enrolled to have LTAC-only classes (just 7th and 8th graders). However, I have heard that AC kids that select less popular languages may be in a class with freshman?? You should probably confirm this though…

    Not sure what “most” kids do regarding the elective. My son went with LTAC Academy this year — although his one friend from elementary school is taking computer science. I know of several students taking art or music too.

    For what it’s worth, the homework has not been overwhelming this year so far. Most nights less than an hour. (Although my child is all about speed over perfection… so it might take some kids a bit longer?) Of course, no big projects have been assigned yet either.

    Hope this helps.

  • 27. AE  |  September 30, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    @ 24 (again)

    Was cleaning out some papers on my desk and found something from LTAC that lists the following World Languages: Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Latin and Spanish. Not sure if there are any others, but this is the list from the language placement exam info I received this past spring.

  • 28. RL Julia  |  September 30, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    @15 – the AC admissions test is a completely different sort of test (more like an IQ test) than the SEHS exam (more like the ISAT/SAT/ACT) thus it might not be good practice.

  • 29. west rogers park mom  |  September 30, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    Thanks AE. Can you elaborate on why you decided to make the switch to Lane from the RGC? Does your son feel more prepared than his fellow classmates that came from magnets or neighborhood schoools?

  • 30. Logan Dad  |  September 30, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Just wanted to say that the Academic Center info posted by CPS Obsessed AND the commentators is hugely helpful and enlightening. It really gave me a better understanding of something that I thought I knew well. Thanks!

  • 31. Robin in WRP  |  September 30, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    The difference was that in the Academic Center, teachers coordinate homework and tests, to keep the amount of studying/homework constant. The transition to high school was not smooth or easy, but my daughter was very prepared for college.

  • 32. Robin in WRP  |  September 30, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    The experience of taking the test is helpful; kind of like taking practice ACT tests

  • 33. WRP Mom  |  September 30, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    @24, LTAC students can choose any of the foreign languages taught at Lane. Spanish & French are the most popular and have enough students to have LTAC-only classrooms. With the other languages, they are in the same classroom with high school students. Taking classes/eating lunch with high schoolers has been a non-issue. Lane is a very accepting place and my daughter has made friends with older kids as well as those her own age.

  • 34. Curious  |  October 1, 2014 at 9:07 am

    @17 & @19 thank you both for the info!

  • 35. Mark  |  October 1, 2014 at 10:25 am

    The link to schedule a AC testing date is greyed out and it lists inelibible for selective enrollment elementary schools on the parten dashboard. Is anyone else having an issue scheduling the test or seeing something similar? Thanks

  • 36. AE  |  October 1, 2014 at 10:35 am

    @29 West Rogers Park Mom,

    Truthfully, my son made the decision to move from the RGC to LTAC (I was leaning towards him staying at the elementary school). I think he was ready for a change/challenge. Lane is a short walk from our house, and would have ranked high on his high school list. He is social, likes the energy of a big school, and looked at the academic center path as sort of an “options program” at the high school level (b/c it puts him on an accelerated path). He was also excited about the many and varied electives at Lane — and felt the academic center path would give him a much greater opportunity to try out different classes down the road.

    I’m not sure how he compares to fellow students who came from non-RGC backgrounds. I know that he is one of a handful of seventh graders in his Algebra class (many seventh graders are placed in pre-Algebra; I imagine his RGC background helped him test straight into Algebra b/c he had pre-Algebra in sixth grade). On the whole, regardless of background, it seems like a smart group of kids.

    Happy to answer any more questions, if you have them. Good luck!

  • 37. milamom  |  October 1, 2014 at 10:49 am

    @35 I tried to register for testing too and was unsuccessful. My child was listed as eligible to test (she is a CPS student so they already have her map scores presumably) but then the next screen was to choose a testing location, it stated that all SEES testing occurs at IIT and there was supposed to be a button to choose school (IIT, presumably) that was not included on the screen. When I moved to the next screen I got an error message for not having picked a school. Left a message for OAE.

    Has anyone successfully scheduled their test(s) yet?

  • 38. JK  |  October 1, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    I just scheduled the test, but haven’t applied to ACs yet. There was discussion somewhere about scheduling an early test date to get the results prior to the application deadline, I think. Can someone tell me if that is possible? Something about then knowing your child’s score and thus knowing whether s/he stands a chance.

  • 39. reenie  |  October 1, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    To 13 fam. I have known high school students who commuted to Lane from our South Side neighborhood via the Western bus, but not AC students. It is probably 60-90 minutes by bus one way from here, so I bet few parents want their 7th and 8th graders doing it.

  • 40. stemmom  |  October 1, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    @37– I was able to schedule the test, but encountered the same thing you describe. Even though IIT is the only option, there is still a circle next to the option that you have to click to “choose” it. At first I didn’t see it (it kind of blends in with the background) but then I saw it and was able to move to the step. Hopefully this makes sense.

  • 41. stemmom  |  October 1, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    Similar to the AC question above, will IGCs accept a student for entry in 7th grade?

  • 42. CuriousGuest  |  October 2, 2014 at 5:48 am

    @41 Yes, IGCs accept students in 7th and 8th grade. Seats do open up, sometimes as many as 7 or 8 per class of 30 each year, as 6th graders come in then transfer out to the Academic Centers for 7th.

    Does anyone else find it odd that in the entire system there are only two IG programs and both are located at North Side schools. Is this a program that is likely to continue or is it being phased out? WIll CPS open more academic centers in Selective Enrollment high schools as that is what families seem to desire, and what about the expansion of IB Middle Years programs in other k-8 schools?

  • 43. pantherettie  |  October 2, 2014 at 6:00 am

    I can’t really speak to why there are only two IG programs. I do have an opinion about ACs. I don’t think that CPS will expand them though because I think that it’s a matter of space. ACs, when done correctly, are really schools within schools. It seems that some northside SEHS are already at capacity, Jones is already bursting with students. There just won’t be enough physical space for a couple hundred more 7th and 8th graders there. ACs also need there own sports teams (due to state regulations) and in some cases their own extracurricular clubs ( I’m thinking of debate and robotics that have clear grade level requirements). So, I’m thinking that CPS will consider more ACs if and when they build more SEHS in locations around the city in which they are trying to attract more kids.JMHO. BTW I didn’t realize that parents were so into ACs until my dd was applying 3 years ago.

  • 44. Robin in WRP  |  October 2, 2014 at 6:59 am

    CPS doesn’t have buses for AC students anymore? When my daughter was at Whitney she was picked up at Boone or Decatur.

  • 45. pantherettie  |  October 2, 2014 at 7:05 am

    There are busses. Our pickup for Lindblom is at Murray.

  • 46. milamom  |  October 2, 2014 at 8:05 am

    38 & 40-thanks for confirming that you were able to complete the scheduling. I tried again later and did get the pop up box to choose IIT as the test location. I ended up not scheduling though because we want a later test date and they only have test dates through mid November available right now.

    38-the options for knowledge guide (just put on the website yesterday) confirms what you heard; for academic center applicants if you choose one of the first three test dates, 11/1, 11/2, or 11/16, you will get your results prior to the application deadline & can therefore use the information to have an idea what schools you are in range for (this is at page 9 of the guide). It does not appear they would send the results early to applicants for other SEES programs, probably b/c they don’t publish the cut off scores like they do for academic centers.

  • 47. stemmom  |  October 2, 2014 at 9:38 am

    @46– Just fyi, I was actually able to schedule an AC test for early January yesterday, and there were options for both December and January.

  • 48. averagemom  |  October 2, 2014 at 9:46 am

    I think the IG programs were created to prepare kids in the LPHS neighborhood for the LPHS IB program. Until the LPHS IB process was centralized, LPHS would interview the IG (then called IBprep) program kids, and most of them went on to the LPHS IB program. It was really considered a 6 year program from 6th grade to 12th. Most of the kids at Ogden and Lincoln elementary were in LPHS boundaries.
    These days with so many other IB programs and so many kids from other elementary schools going to LPHS, it’s kind of lost it’s purpose, beyond offering a program that’s a grade ahead.

  • 49. reenie  |  October 2, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Is the busing for ACs from any distance? Or is there a limit?

  • 50. RL Julia  |  October 2, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Like the other CPS busses, the limit is six or seven miles from the school. Farther away than that, you are on your own so to speak.

  • 51. robin in wrp  |  October 2, 2014 at 11:47 am

    I would contact the school regarding buses; the rules seem to change every year. Kids from Edison Park to Beverly were bused to Whitney when my daughter was in the AC

  • 52. stemmom  |  October 2, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    @46- Please disregard my prior message. I actually got a call from CPS today that the January date I scheduled for the AC test was actually not for my son’s age group (web filter mistake) so they asked me to re-register. This time they only had test dates through November.

  • 53. Patricia  |  October 3, 2014 at 9:57 am

    My son is an 8th grader at Lane AC. No regrets! It was a heart wrenching decision for me and my husband to have him leave his RGC. That said, my son decided that he wanted to go to Lane the moment he saw the acceptance letter. He said that he wasn’t going to pass up a chance to avoid the HS stress. It struck me that he was so aware of the pressure 7th/8th graders go through.

    As someone mentioned above, Lane is a very accepting open environment and they do keep the AC kids on their own wing (4th floor). Lunch tables dedicated to AC kids. No issues at all with HS students. I was concerned about this, but having lived it now, there is no reason for concern. It has been a non-issue.

    Lane is wonderfully diverse! Diversity (racial, social, socio-economic) is why we remain in the city and Lane has it all. I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact that my son has such a truly diverse group of friends. All great kids with great parents. They find their friendships through not only classes, but clubs and sports which are such a cool part of Lane. Any child can find their “niche” at Lane. It has everything to offer and the large size is actually IMO an advantage where a kid can find what they truly enjoy, instead of limited club/sport options that they may feel left out if they don’t participate.

    Also, by 7th grade, some kids want to mix it up and meet different peers. Lane has 7th graders go on an overnight to Camp Duncan and they quickly make friends. It is a great group of kids. Very normal. Not at all a “brainiac only” place, but the kids are certainly very smart and are challenged academically. It is so “normal”, I just love it as does my son.

    It is a HS environment, with fantastic HS teachers, HS classes/curriculum, HS credit, HS students around, HS self-organization and motivation needed. It is not for every kid and I now understand that having been at Lane a year. My son is doing great, but it is a transition. The kids need to learn to be organized, seek help when needed—actually understand that they need help—-and take advantage of opportunities. At some point in HS, kids need to “own it” themselves. It is a bit early to need to do that in 7th grade for some. In talking to other parents, it seems to be a common transition issue. It is also a transition for parents, the student needs to take ownership and parents need to let them (but of course can help them learn to take ownership—if that makes sense).

    The Lane administration is outstanding, listens to feedback and actually makes good changes. They are offering more organizational guidance, have a dedicated counselor that is providing learning sessions during advisory and they are on top of it. The teaching teams are now meeting weekly to better coordinate student workload—ie, don’t have big tests on the same day. Really great teachers too! There is certainly work to do as in any school, but no glaring complaints.

    This post is getting long. I can go on and on about Lane AC. It is a fantastic place.

  • 54. Patricia  |  October 3, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Tip you may want to read if you kids ends up going to a Lane AC.

    It took me a while to figure this out and hope it may help others. At Lane AC, my son was fine all year until May when he had a bad 2 week stretch. (I think it was lack of sleep/growth related.) When he hit this, I realized he (and me too) did not know how to navigate the system to get help. It ended up being a great life lesson, but I wish I figured it out before he needed help.

    In elementary, the students are with mostly the same teacher, or they may switch for some classes, but essentially, elementary is an environment where during the school day a student can ask a teacher if they do not understand something. Or a teacher may make a note to “come see me” to clarify something a student missed on HW or test. It is more focused and individual attention in an elementary. At Lane AC (and I imagine other ACs) the students go from class to class. 8 periods a day with 4-5 minute passing time. Lane is a huge school, so there is NO TIME to ask a quick question before or after class because you will be late for your next class and get a tardy. Also, many times, the issue is not resolved with a quick question.

    Lane has a solution, but it was not obvious to us coming from an elementary environment. Tutoring. There is a tutoring schedule where students can go for help. HOWEVER, I learned it is also a place that they could/should go for feedback. To get more feedback on a paper or to dig deeper on why they got certain things wrong on a test is best done during tutoring. I was expecting things like this would be covered in class, like in elementary. In the AC, the student needs to seek the help. While teachers do go over most tests, no one really is making sure that every single student really “gets it”. I think they are very good at alerting parents about failing, but kids who are between an A and B kind of get lost until the student seeks assistance. Email is another good way, but even though the kids are tech savvy these days, communicating about educational issues via email with a teacher is a skill that not all 7th graders have yet.

    I have to say that teachers are very responsive via email and if you alert them to a issue or have a question, they are VERY responsive offering information, suggestions and clarifying expectations. When I contacted 3 teachers via email about my sons bad stretch, all 3 said, “I noticed he is struggling lately, but he didn’t ask for help.” All mentioned he did not go to tutoring for help. UGHHHH, in elementary, his teachers would have said, “what’s up, come see me” knowing that he is a high A student and it is odd for him to get a C on a quiz or test. It is a HS mentality that help is widely available, but the student needs to seek the help. Of course, I think if a student is doing really bad, Lane would respond actively and be all over it, but an 88 vs. a 92 is something the student has to manage.

    When I told my son to go to tutoring he replied, “What? I don’t think I am eligible for tutoring. I am not failing, just got a C on a few things.” Coming from elementary, of course he thought that and I kind of did too. Then I realized that this is how Lane is structured and was able to explain it to him. I further told him that in college, it gets even more limited with professors only holding “office hours” a few times a month. I had to get him comfortable that tutoring is available to everyone and it is not a stigma that he is failing……it is the structure of how to get help because switching classes 8 periods offers no time to get a question answered. It is not like there is no time during class for questions. The teachers are very very good and there is a lot of discussion and interaction, but those little things that a student got without asking in elementary, are certainly available at the AC, you just need to understand the system to get that extra help.

    The whole tutoring concept is very different at an AC vs. elementary. I think just telling 7th graders that “tutoring is available for everyone” really doesn’t register. I think the kids need to understand that it is where you go for deeper individualized feedback as well as to get more individual help. It is the place to go to get help to go from 88 to 95, not just if you are getting a D or F. Hope this helps.

  • 55. chitown2  |  October 3, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    homework depends on each kid and how they study. if they do homework with texting, ipads on, videos, music on, etc. they can’t concentrate so they may be “doing homework” for hours with only effectively 1 hr of actual work. my kid at Lincoln IB was not doing more than 30 min HW on any day and typically did them before school let out. Then, again, he is at Northside and only does about <1 hr a day on HW but I hear that some kids are doing HOURS of homework. each kid is different and some kids really have to work hard to stay on top of things – others don't.

  • 56. RL Julia  |  October 3, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    It also depends on what classes the kid is taking and their teacher. Didn’t see my son at NCP doing a ton of homework last year. This year is a different story entirely.

  • 57. robin in wrp  |  October 3, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    The AC grades figure into the high school GPA, which figures into colleges and scholarships. Encourage your child to spend some time on the https://www.collegeboard.org/ website, and get an idea of what it takes to get into college. It’s also not too early to start applying for scholarships!

  • 58. Sam  |  October 6, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    I have an 8th grader at Taft currently, and from my experiences they usually hold their open houses a bit later in the year. Usually the more organized ones are after the kids receive their acceptance letters. However the new principal and administration are really changing the place and the school is way nicer now. There’s no uniform and the teachers don’t have to constantly nag the kids to wear their IDs (still need to have them on you, but you don’t have to wear it around your neck).Honestly, I wish my kid was a 7th grader this year instead of starting the year before 🙂

    The changes are spectacular.

  • 59. Christopher Ball (@skepticismwins)  |  October 8, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    @53 @54 Very helpful. Thank you.

  • 60. Logan Dad  |  October 9, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    MAP Cut-Off Scores for Academic Centers – Question

    Can anyone shed light on the cut-off scores that qualify students to take the AC test? I’ve looked at the rubic, my child’s MAP scores and grades and thought that she qualified to take the AC. But, when I went to schedule the test, I wasn’t allowed.

    My wife and I are a little frustrated as our daughter crushed the ISAT scores but seems to do less well on the MAP tests.

    And, the big question is, is there a MAP cut-off score for SE High Schools?

    Thanks,

    Logan Dad

  • 61. milamom  |  October 9, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    @60 – your child needs to be at or above 45% on the MAP test to sit for the AC exam and above 24% to sit for the SEHS exam. If she is above those levels then maybe her score isn’t registered yet in the system or something. You should call OAE to find out.

  • 62. NW 2  |  October 9, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    58. Sam | October 6, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    Good to hear about the changes at Taft.

    Hopefully they’ll work on doing a better job at marketing the IB program as well. Unfortunately, their IB Coordinator just does not make a good impression on behalf of the school. Just not a good speaker, does not convey enthusiasm, and she has never been willing to go to the local schools to talk about the IB program, even when invited / asked. Plus she misinformed families to try to keep us from keeping Taft in a holding pattern (something about us not being able to keep getting offers after accepting the Taft IB offer, which is totally incorrect). Just need to let someone else be in front marketing the program to the community. Also need to throw out the IB video and create a new one as it was pretty bad.

    Turning the heat on and not making families freeze for the Information Session would also help! It was so sad – felt like they didn’t respect families enough to give us even a little heat.

    Also, I think they had 2 students talk for 30 seconds each and they left immediately so we didn’t get to ask them questions.

    Right now, I wouldn’t send my children there. I’m hoping it will be better within 5 years for my youngest child. Lots of people hoping the new Principal can make this a viable option.

  • 63. newmom  |  October 10, 2014 at 12:39 am

    Can anyone shed some light on how grades earned at an AC can affect a student’s chances of getting into a SEHS. I understand the grades will be high school level grades, but will a B mean trouble?

  • 64. pantherettie  |  October 10, 2014 at 5:49 am

    The short answer is maybe. A kid living in a tier 4 community that needs nearly perfectl scores in each domain of the scoring rubric will have difficulties earning that score if he/she has even 1 final grade of a B in a 7th grade core subject. CPS does not “weigh” the grades of a 7th grade AC student, even though they are taking classes at a high school level (at least they didn’t last year). I disagree with this on some level because the courses are being taught at a high school level and they should be more rigorous than those taught in a traditional 7th grade program. That said, I also understand the reasoning that if the kid is truly talented and/or gifted, he/she should be able to produce A’s at a high school level class. Really all I can say is that the system sucks.

  • 65. westrogersparkmom  |  October 10, 2014 at 6:45 am

    If you feel that your child is ready for an AC, but are not ready to commit to 6 years at one school, Taft AC may be a good choice for you. Taft traditionally sees high numbers of kids go on to SEHS after their program. The administration understands this and the A’s are not as hard to come by as they seem to be at Whitney and Lane.

    Plus, it seems as if the new principal is making positive changes at Taft all around.

  • 66. momofmany  |  October 10, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    Very conflicted. Which should we rank first, Lane or Young? Lane is closer 5 miles (30 min) vs. 8 miles (45? min).
    DD wants to be a software architect. 5th grade straight As, 98/99 MAP, tier 4.
    Should we even rank Taft, she wants to, but I don’t see how it is a better choice than RGC. We would not let her stay at Taft for HS.

  • 67. cpsobsessed  |  October 10, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    I’d put taft down – things could change a lot there in the next 11 months…

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  • 68. WRP Mom  |  October 10, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    66, Both Lane & Young are fine schools. It’s really a matter of personal preference. I recommend going to the open houses before you rank your choices. I know Lane, by virtue of its size, has a huge number of electives to choose from at the high school level and is very strong in tech.

    As for putting down Taft, it can’t hurt to put it as your 3rd choice. After all, you can always turn down an offer there if you decide to stay at your elementary school.

  • 69. Robin in WRP  |  October 10, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    The diversity and teaching staff, along with the fine academics and extra curriculars at whitney can not be beat.

  • 70. Sam  |  October 12, 2014 at 2:02 am

    If you have any questions about Taft, I can probably help to answer them. I know my daughter and a lot of her friends are aiming for a SEHS after graduation but there are also plenty that plan on staying. Plus, the IB program serves as a great “backup” plan just in case you don’t end up receiving any good offers.

    Like I said before, the new administration has changed and the school is becoming better than it was before. Last year we barely considered Taft for HS and planned on staying 2 years but this year, due to the changes it’s a real option for us. The teachers here are some of the best I’ve ever seen, some even better than the ones my kid left from her old elementary school. The high school credits don’t hurt either.

  • 71. cpsobsessed  |  October 12, 2014 at 2:51 am

    Reading the HS guide due to insomnia…. here are the grad and college rates for some schools. I don’t know how the grad rate is calculated, but keep in mind that some of these schools are in transition, so #s could change in a few years.

    Graduation Rate % / College Enrollment %
    Northside 97/90
    Young 95/87
    Lane 93/85
    Payton 91/82
    Jones 91/88
    King 86/82
    Lindblom 80/82
    Westinghouse NA/79
    Von Steuben 88/73
    Lakeview 86/67
    LPHS 83/78
    Morgan Park 80/68
    Amundsen 79/52
    Taft 78/64
    Chicago AG 76/79
    Senn 54/56
    Chi Arts NA/71
    Ogden NA/62
    Alcott NA/53

  • 72. cpsobsessed  |  October 12, 2014 at 2:59 am

    I’d heard that Roosevelt, my old neighborhood HS was offering college/career-based programs. These include:
    Culinary Arts
    Early childhood ed
    Childhood ed
    IT (game programming)
    IT (cisco networking)
    Health sciences (med and health careers, allied health)

  • 73. cpsobsessed  |  October 12, 2014 at 3:30 am

    While many elementary schools are fairly homogenous on race, the high schools can be more diverse. While we love our elem school, I look forward to my son not being in a sea of whiteness at some point.
    % Caucasian/Hisp/AA/Asian

    Taft 48 / 40 / 2 / 7
    Northside 40 / 25 / 9 /18
    Payton 36 / 23 / 18 / 10
    Chicago AG 31 / 23 / 42 / 1
    Young 30 / 27 / 24 / 15
    Lane 30 / 46 / 9 / 11
    Jones 29 / 31 / 21 / 10
    LPHS 28 / 33 / 24 / 10
    Ogden 27 / 28 / 33 / 6
    Von Steuben 19 / 53 / 12 / 14
    Chi Arts 12 / 24 / 53 / 1
    Amundsen 10 / 62 / 11 / 15
    Senn 9 / 45 / 28 / 14
    Westinghouse 2 / 31 / 60 / 6
    Alcott 12 / 53 / 30 / 2
    Disney 2 22 / 51 / 20 / 3

  • 74. momofmany  |  October 12, 2014 at 7:58 am

    One of my largest concerns about Taft: It is my understanding that IB programs have a fairly large wash out rate for whatever reason. If the student were going to Lincoln Park HS and decided that IB wasn’t for them they can stay at the school, if at Taft they would have to leave the school! At that point their option would only be our abysmal neighborhood high school (Great Schools rating 1/10).

  • 75. momofmany  |  October 12, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Sam,

    Do you know is a language required in Taft AC? What are the languages?

    What are the math options for am advanced student? It is my understanding that the 7th grade at Taft takes pre-algebra. My dd is currently studying Algebra I in 6th so would be beyond that class.

    Is it a “standard” 90/80/70 grading scale?

  • 76. Robin in WRP  |  October 12, 2014 at 8:10 am

    IB is definitely not for every kid. There is a lot of writing, and they need to have an interest in it. If your kid is more interested in math and science, IB is probably not the best option. That said, kids from IB programs adjust to college work very well; my daughter (AC and HS at Whitney) felt that IB grads were better prepared for college level work.

  • 77. Westrogersparkmom  |  October 12, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Re: Taft

    Language is a part of the curriculum. The kids choose between French and Spanish and at the end if two year receive one high school honors Language credit.

    The kids also get one elective, which they take only with other AC kids. When my daughter was there they shared the period with gym (m/w/f was one class t/th the other)

    They do have pre-algebra only in 7th . They will test your child for Algebra
    In 7th but the year my daughter was there no one tested in. They also have an 8th grade pre-algebra for the kids not quite ready in 8th grade.

    All in all it’s a great mix of challenge without it being too much of a challenge if you know what I mean.

  • 78. Sam  |  October 12, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Due to the switch of NWEA, I believe there is no more testing to get into Algebra 7th grade at Taft. Apparently if you scored 95% or higher on NWEA Math 6th grade, you get into Algebra 7th. My daughter says that there’s a whole 7th grade class taking Algebra and there is even one 7th grade kid in her class. However I do worry about overcrowding because her algebra class was the perfect size until they added the 7th grader (no more seats to place her in). But then again, Taft takes one big class one year and then a smaller class the other year. My daughter was part of the smaller class size they took (2013-2014) so that means that next year’s admittance (2015-2016) will be a smaller class size as well.

  • 79. west rogers park mom  |  October 16, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Any advice on scheduling test dates? I went online and the latest test date you can currently register for is November 16th. OAE confirmed that the results would come out before the application deadline. Since we are not doing test prep, I figured there is no harm to take it then. Its before the craziness of the holidays etc. Any other thoughts on early test dates? I don’t think getting the results early will change my kids preference for AC’s.

    @78- Thanks for the info on Taft. Having an Algebra class will definitely make it more attractive to some.

  • 80. cpsobsessed  |  October 16, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    I’d go for the november date. The early results will be nice and you won’t have to worry about snow (knock on wood.)

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  • 81. RFR  |  October 17, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    I was wondering the same, except we are doing a test prep. The deadline to apply is much later than the last date currently listed by OAE. The test prep starts the same weekend as that last date. Does anyone have experience that more dates will be available?

  • 82. fam  |  October 18, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    I called the Office of Access and Enrollment. They said the November dates are all that parents/students applying have access to. I asked if more dates would be added and she said as dates are made available they will be added to the website. I spoke with someone named Gloria; I hope she is correct.

  • 83. LindblomPrincipal  |  October 28, 2014 at 9:28 am

    I know this is posted at the front, but I wanted to put out a reminder that Lindblom’s Open House for prospective seventh and eighth graders is this Saturday, starting at 10:00 am.
    I hope to see many of those obsessed with CPS here at Lindblom November 1!
    Go, Eagles!
    Alan

  • 84. HSObsessed  |  October 28, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Article about how Pritzker’s principal decided to change to a grade scale where 90+ = A instead of 93+. Parents were pushing for this because the difficulty earning As was affecting the students’ chances of getting into selective enrollment programs. The principal admits that the fact that more kids will leave for SE middle school programs with the lower grade scale is one reason she resisted the change, because the best-scoring kids are being skimmed off the school.

    http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20141028/wicker-park/pritzker-school-lowers-90-after-push-by-parents

  • 85. Fraud  |  October 28, 2014 at 11:32 am

    I know of one school that submitted 2 grades to parents this past academic year. Parents were told that one was the actual grade and the other was the one they submit to CPS. And yes, this is real. School said it was due to the fact that they had an “accelerated program.”

    Issue was raised to OAE but never heard what happened.

    I doubt it is the only case.

  • 86. fam  |  October 28, 2014 at 11:54 am

    @83 See you there, Principal Mather. Will we get a chance to see the dance room?

  • 87. LindblomPrincipal  |  October 28, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    Fam,
    You certainly will. The Ballroom (where the dance classes take place) is stunning!
    Should we give out cpsobsessed.com buttons for those who love this site?
    Alan

  • 88. Robin in WRP  |  October 31, 2014 at 5:53 am

    Whitney’s grading scale has always been :
    A 93-100
    B 85-92
    C 75-84
    D 68-74
    F 67 and below (no credit awarded)

  • 89. HS Mom  |  October 31, 2014 at 8:11 am

    @84 – Interesting. And how narrow minded is it to penalize the kid so that the school ranking doesn’t suffer? It seems to me that a school becomes more popular when they support efforts to get their kids into academic centers and SEHS’s.

  • 90. west rogers park mom  |  October 31, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Whitney changed their grading scale this year to 90/80/70/60.

  • 91. 3rd grade parent  |  October 31, 2014 at 11:19 am

    89 – exactly what i was thinking….. it seems like that grading scale would be detrimental to a middle school experience…. why would one stay for 7th grade if that grading scale was the policy?

  • 92. cpsobsessed  |  October 31, 2014 at 11:25 am

    I think the new tier system got parents at many schools to pressure for the standard grading scale for this very reason.
    Some principals like to keep it, IMO to prove that they won’t relax their academic standards to appease parents, to buckle to “the system” etc.

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  • 93. falconergrad  |  October 31, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    @92. are you talking about the five schjool rating tiers that will replace the three school rating levels? I don’t see any evidence of that change being made yet. Anyone know anything about it?

  • 94. Fam  |  November 1, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    My daughter and I attended the Lindblom AC open house today. So glad we went. Our student tour guides were well spoken and able to answer all questions, except maybe one. The presentations in each of the subject areas: PE, science, geography, math, English, and counseling were informative and welcoming. I could tell that the teachers enjoy working there and the current students value their teachers. Much mention of teachers coming early and staying late to help students. There was mention of a good number of sports and activities that 7th and 8th graders can join, as well as colloquium classes and support classes for the taking. The Mandarin language presentation, given by two students, really impressed both of us, and my daughter was wowed by a high energy math lesson, given by Mr. Morrison. It dawned on me that with the block scheduling and Wednesday colloquium, homework is not due the next day. There can be two nights to get homework done before it is due. I think that can be a plus!

  • 95. cpsobsessed  |  November 1, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Thanks for sharing your impressions!

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  • 96. CuriousM  |  November 2, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Wondering if you missed an open house, Whitney for example, will there be another opportunity this school year. Does anyone know?

  • 97. Chicago School GPS  |  November 2, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Typically there is only one open house, but another way to get good insight into a school is to attend events there such as plays, performances, games, etc. Anything that brings you into the school and allows you to see the kids in action while sitting next to parents is a great glimpse into a school’s culture and vibe. Check their website for event dates or send an email to the AC department contact to ask what they suggest.

    If you do get an offer in the spring, some AC’s have opportunities to get in the school for a mini open house or shadow day prior to acceptance deadlines.

  • 98. Robin in WRP  |  November 2, 2014 at 8:41 am

    Whitney does not. Frankly, I think the open houses are “fashion shows”. If you want to learn about any CPS, you need to meet the parent community; attending an LSC meeting is a great way to do so.

    My daughter graduated from Whitney’s AC and high school (2013). I’d be happy to answer any questions. rkoloms@yahoo.com

  • 99. pantherettie  |  November 2, 2014 at 8:42 am

    @Fam – I’m so glad that you attended the Lindblom open house. I can tell you that as a parent of an 8th grader, I continue to really love and support the school. My daughter loves it even more than she did as a 7th grader. I think that the block scheduling is a key component – it’s a great support for the organized kid and a nightmare for one who isn’t. That said, block scheduling is how we live everyday life. So it’s a great lesson on how to plan and organize at an early age. The teachers are just as you saw at the presentation -dynamic and committed. My daughter had Mr.Morrison last year and truly enjoyed his class and learned a lot. I’m not a lover of standardized test scores and I absolutely do not think that it is the benchmark for good teaching, but I will say this. My daughter’s MAP scores in math improved significantly between Fall and Spring and I think that Mr. Morrison’s class and teaching style made the difference. All of the 7th grade teachers have excellent communication with parents in a way that acknowledges that these kids are in a high school setting, but most are still 12 year olds. I know I sound like a cheerleader for the school ( and I am) but I really do think that it’s great. It’s not perfect and it’s not right for every kid, but it’s really great in many ways.

  • 100. HS Mom  |  November 2, 2014 at 10:44 am

    @97 – This is a general comment, not necessarily about WYAC, I’ve read a few times that attending a play or a game is a good (someone even said better) way to find out about a school. I don’t understand, and maybe there’s a good explanation, how sitting in a dark theater or viewing a sporting event tells you anymore about a school other than perhaps a tiny bit of what you can expect in the way of arts/athletics. Attendance isn’t even really a good gauge and may not really reflect the school as a whole. Even the LSC meetings at many schools are sparsely attended and more about protocol.

    Of course schools are going to put their best foot forward at an open house but you can really learn about many aspects of the school especially with a “wish list” in mind of your ideal requirements and questions. Yes, they put on a show of their best talent, teachers, and success stores – that’s the best part about it!

    Try to see all the schools that you are interested in. Start early, meaning at least 1 grade prior, to make sure you can attend all the events. If you miss something, apply with your best guess and attend the shadow days and tours that are offered to accepted students.

  • 101. The Devil in the Details  |  November 2, 2014 at 10:45 am

    @98
    That is so very true.
    I’ve seen these open houses be more about the parents, and less about the kids and their questions. You see some parents that really want **this** for their kids….and their kids are sitting in the auditorium playing video games. if your kid doesn’t want it, odds are, they won’t get in. And if they do get in, they won’t last.

    You do get to see some fine examples of helicopter parenting, and that makes it fun.

  • 102. Robin in WRP  |  November 2, 2014 at 10:54 am

    We never attended open houses; didn’t travel around to look at colleges, either.

  • 103. The Devil in the Details  |  November 2, 2014 at 11:11 am

    So if you didn’t attend them, how did you come up with that opinion?

  • 104. Robin in WRP  |  November 2, 2014 at 11:36 am

    My daughter was a tour guide at Whitney, and I spoke to parents who did go to tours.

  • 105. bethleistensnider  |  November 2, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    We attended the LTAC open house this morning. It was disappointing to learn that the OAE website had the wrong time for the open house (it started at 9 am, not 10 pm), but luckily we were able to jump on a tour in progress and see everything. My daughter was excited by it, though a little overwhelmed as well. But I’m feeling a bit frustrated by the application process as a current non-CPS family. I had to apply for my daughter to take the NWEA MAP because she didn’t take it in school last year. So I did that. It says the test will be December 6 and 7. Then I went to start the online application but it says you need a PIN and that PIN requests must be made by December 1. However, in the “applying to SEES for non-cps students” section it says “If your child has registered for or taken the NWEA MAP, the Office of Access and Enrollment will mail an Eligibility Letter to your home that will contain your child’s PIN. Do not click ‘Step 1’ or ‘Step 2’ on the online site until you receive this letter. The letter will be mailed approximately two weeks after your child takes the second subject on the NWEA MAP.” This is several weeks after December 1 obviously. I’m confused about whether we are just supposed to have our daughter take the NWEA MAP on Dec 6-7, wait for the PIN letter, and THEN apply by December 28? And that they will then give us a test date in January? The level of complexity for applying seems almost like a purposeful hurdle to jump to get to the “prize” of a SE school.

  • 106. momofmany  |  November 2, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    ^^^ The application deadline is 12/12 not 12/28. If you try to apply after 12/12 your application will not be accepted.

    I would request a pin now. I would not trust that you will receive one before the deadline.

    I wouldn’t blame CPS OAE for having the time wrong. I checked all of the school websites individually at the beginning of the school year and put the dates/times in my calendar. The time listed then was 10-12. At some point after that Lane decided to change it. They may not have even let CPS OAE know about the change. My daugter missed the presentation too.

  • 107. Chicago School GPS  |  November 2, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Anyone interested in test-in schools for 5th through 9th grade and has not taken a CPS administered NWEA MAP test yet, you need to request to take the Dec 6 & 7 NWEA MAP test, which is the last chance to take that exam required for those programs. This request is due 11/28/14. Furthermore, those who take that Dec NWEA test MUST use a paper application for their application and will be assigned an entrance exam test date (cannot do online applications). The paper application is due by 12/12/14.

    http://www.cpsoae.org/apps/news/show_news.jsp?REC_ID=310055&id=0

    From CPSOAE link above:
    “All students who are applying to grades 5-9 for Selective Enrollment Elementary and High Schools and other schools with academic requirements (i.e., CTE Selective Academies, IB High Schools, Magnet High Schools, and Military Academies) for the 2015-2016 school year will need to take the Northwest Evaluation Association Measures of Academic Progress (NWEA MAP), administered by the Chicago Public Schools. The NWEA MAP is used to determine eligibility for students to take the admissions exam for these schools or to qualify for the selection process.

    For students who do not currently attend a Chicago Public School, the NWEA MAP will be offered free of charge in December. To register for the test, complete a registration form, available here. The form must be received by the Office of Access and Enrollment NO LATER THAN NOVEMBER 28, 2014, at 5 p.m. PLEASE FILL OUT THE FORM IN INK.

    IMPORTANT NOTE:
    You will have to submit paper applications no later than December 12, 2014, for the schools in which you are interested; paper applications are accessible here. After your child takes the NWEA MAP in December, we will be able to determine his/her eligibility for the programs for which they applied (e.g., Selective Enrollment Elementary or High Schools, IB High Schools, Magnet High Schools, Military Academies, CTE-College and Career Academies). If you mail your application, we strongly recommend that you (1) have a postal official postmark the envelope in front of you, (2) send your application via registered or certified mail so that you have a receipt, and (3) include a self-addressed, stamped postcard or envelope with your application, which will be mailed back to you as a receipt when your application is received. If your application does not reach our office and you cannot provide proof that you mailed it, your child cannot be considered for the schools in which you are interested. If your child is eligible, based on his/her NWEA MAP scores, we will schedule your child for Selective Enrollment testing, IB and/or Military Academy Information Sessions, and/or Senn Fine Arts Program auditions, as applicable, and notify you by mail of the dates, times, and locations of these appointments.

    Students will complete the separate reading and math portions of the NWEA MAP over two Saturdays. In addition, alternate testing dates are available for students who cannot test on Saturdays due to religious reasons.

    Should you have any questions, please contact the Office of Access and Enrollment at (773) 553-2060 or oae@cps.edu.”

    We have an upcoming Public & Private HS Admissions & Testing seminar this Tuesday 11/4/14 at Chicago Academy for the Arts at 7PM. Lots of great info to demystify the process and a copy of the latest CPS HS Guide for anyone who attends. We are co-presenting with TestPrepChicago. Check out chischoolgps (dot) com for more details.

  • 108. bethleistensnider  |  November 2, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    Thank you very much for your help. I was reading right after I posted this and saw the part about December 12 and that it must be paper as well. I’m sure the information is all in there somewhere, it’s just hard to find what you need and keep it all straight. Am I correct that normally the NWEA MAP would be given on 2 consecutive Saturdays for non-CPS students but this last exam is given on Sat. Dec 7 and Sun Dec. 7 then? I have that request in to schedule the MAP, so now I need to complete the grade 5 final report card form, get that signed by the current school and sent, fill out the paper application and send by Dec. 12, then wait for an exam date pending the NWEA MAP results. So complicated! Thanks for the note about the presentation, too, will try to make it.

  • 109. bethleistensnider  |  November 2, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    Also, thank you for confirming I was not going crazy and that the Lane site also originally said 10 am. They looked at me like I had 3 heads when I said “your website said 10 am.” Then I looked again and saw that Lane now does say 9 am but OAE says 10 am.

  • 110. bethleistensnider  |  November 3, 2014 at 10:31 am

    One other question, does anyone recommend a tutor or test prep center to familiarize our daughter with the NWEA MAP, as this is not a test she has ever taken (and she gets a bit of standardized test anxiety and her past scores don’t really reflect how smart she actually is)? Thanks.

  • 111. momofmany  |  November 3, 2014 at 10:48 am

    ^^^ She can take free practice tests online from the test publisher.

    https://www.nwea.org/warmup/warmup_start_educators_map.html

  • 112. newmom  |  November 3, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Anyone with a Non CPS student already take the MAP testing? Were your scores what you hoped for? I thought I read somewhere that retaking the test would be offered if we were not pleased with the scores. My child did well on the Terra Nova and already took the MAP tests but there was a difference that I fear will not get her into an academic center.

  • 113. LS Mom  |  November 3, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Anyone have thoughts about WYAC vs LTAC? After doing the tours, my son is leaning toward Young, and I’m leaning toward Lane.

  • 114. Robin in WRP  |  November 3, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    I would leave the decision up to your son. Both are great programs.

  • 115. LS Mom  |  November 4, 2014 at 9:56 am

    @114, I definitely will leave it up to him. I’m just trying to get more information and viewpoints for both of us!

  • 116. deedee  |  November 4, 2014 at 10:21 am

    @112 My Non-CPS son took the tests and one section was WAY below his Terra Nova and Spring MAP test. (30%!!!)

    Non-CPS students are not allowed to retake the test, even if there is sufficient evidence that the score is out of line with past test taking.

  • 117. MomofMany  |  November 4, 2014 at 11:15 am

    @113, My husband and daughter went to both the WYAC and LTAC open houses. They both preferred WY. My husband felt that LT came across as big and impersonal, and his impression of WY was that they seemed to care more about each individual student. He also really liked the open architecture and natural light at WY. We are going to rank WY first and LT second. I am still debating about ranking Taft at all. I really don’t want her going there, but also don’t want to close any doors.

  • 118. RL Julia  |  November 4, 2014 at 11:22 am

    LS Mom – what do you like about Lane and what does your son like about WY?

  • 119. LS Mom  |  November 4, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    RL Julia, good questions. To be honest, I think they are both fine options, but here’s what I’ve got. My son got the impression that WY was more academic and that Lane had more activities. I, however, think that Lane is just as strong academically; it just didn’t come through as much in the open house because the presentation wasn’t all about test scores and college admissions. (I also want my 12 year old ease up on himself on the academics)

    I like that Lane had lots of options in high school, both academically and socially. It’s also a slightly better location for us. I think my son also liked the architecture of WY.

    I hear good things about Taft, but it’s not a convenient location for us, so I’d just keep him at his elementary if WY and LT don’t work out.

  • 120. west rogers park mom  |  November 4, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    My daughter graduated from Taft and it was not convenient for us but when I really think about it, it was no more inconvenient than Whitney or even Lane because of traffic and congestion.

    I think Taft is a great option for a kid who wants the AC experience but isn’t willing to commit to six years at a school when they are 12 years old. You still get high school credits and have the option of staying for their rigorous, highly regarded IB program. Many many kids go on to SEHS after Taft.

    Taft’s first round admissions scores are going up every year for rank and Tier 4 kids. Its a good program and shouldn’t be discounted.

    Disclaimer: I have a 6th grader now and am still undecided if I would send her to Taft. My current 6th grader would be leaving a RGC for an AC and isn’t sure she wants to do it.

  • 121. west rogers park mom  |  November 4, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Something else to keep in mind. Not to be a Debby downer but the AC admissions test is a great equalizer. Every year there are many many kids walking into the test with perfect scores who do not get in because it is so challenging. And as AC’s are getting more competitive the cut off scores are rising. My 6th grader is in good (could be better but still fine) shape with grades and MAP scores. We had her take the test last year to see how she would do. She scored in the 98%. She would not have been accepted to Lane or Whitney.

  • 122. momofmany  |  November 4, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    For everyone that has been waiting for later test dates, I just scheduled my daughter’s test and there are now test slots open on Feb 8 & 15th.

  • 123. fam  |  November 4, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    I wonder why there are no December and January test dates available. I went ahead and signed my kid up for a February date.

  • 124. RL Julia  |  November 4, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    LS Mom – There are no wrong choices. As mentioned, Taft is also a great program. Both schools are big enough for a student to be able to be totally into academics…. or not and still find friends who are similarly inclined – and while both high schools have TONS of extracurricular, sports, activities, etc… at least at Whitney, the AC kids are not really specifically included – they have their own activities and clubs but it isn’t as if your 7th grader is going to log six years in a high school club – unless they really push. It’s not that they are not welcome as much as it is the ackies have their own world and place. I’m with you -if the commute is going to be a real issue, make a date to take public transportation to each place and see if that changes anything.

  • 125. Robin in WRP  |  November 4, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    When my daughter was an ackie, she took the school bus most days; days she stayed for activities she took public transit (bus to metra or CTA express train to bus)

  • 126. momofmany  |  November 4, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Robin,

    Since you had a child in WYAC could I ask you a quick safety question? Would you feel confortable with a 12 yo girl walking to the blue line, and riding it of course, in the evening after an activity? WY is my daughtets top choice and this is my #1 concern.

    Thanks

  • 127. Robin in WRP  |  November 4, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Until her sophomore or junior year, she took the Madison bus either to Ogilvie or to Wells st. She very rarely traveled alone between the train and school; probably a dozen times in six years. and when they do take the Blue Line, there are lots of kids traveling together.

  • 128. Robin in WRP  |  November 4, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    The kids who take the Metra from Rogers park in the morning tend to gather together, and the older kids are very welcoming to the younger ones.

  • 129. Sam  |  November 4, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    @126

    My daughter takes the blue line to her school and she’s totally fine with it. Honestly I think at that age kids should be responsible enough to be able to manage the public transport system, plus they’ll eventually have to learn one way or another anyways. But that saying, we used to live downtown and she took the trains and buses all the time ever since 5th grade. I would say that you should go with her once or twice until she gets a feel for it, and the rest should be easy to figure out with time. Also concerning safety issues, a lot of people (and I mean A LOT) take the blue line trains in the morning. It’ll be 6:45 and the train going to Forest Park will literally be full before it even reaches Addison. Eventually I think it becomes muscle memory because my kid can fall asleep on that train and wake up just a few stops before where she’s supposed to get off every single time.

  • 130. RL Julia  |  November 5, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    @126 My daughter takes the blue line every day after school and/or extra curricular stuff – she is almost always part of a group of kids going to the train regardless and for the most part, as long as she is on the train before 7:00 pm we don’t see it as an issue. She has been doing this since she was 11. If your daughter is nervous have her practice taking the train with you a few times until she feels more comfortable. Chances are she’ll end up running into friends who are also taking the train home more often than not.

  • 131. bethleistensnider  |  November 5, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Does anybody else have a non-CPS child who is taking the MAP test for the first time in December? Is a tutor worth it? Or just doing practice tests on her own at home? I worry a bit because she is not the greatest of standardized test takers. Her past TerraNova scores are lower than I would expect for her academic performance. She does very well in math and has a very high reading level (Lexile score places her at 12th grade).

  • 132. Train  |  November 6, 2014 at 12:19 am

    126. momofmany | November 4, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    “Robin,
    Since you had a child in WYAC could I ask you a quick safety question? Would you feel comfortable with a 12 yo girl walking to the blue line, and riding it of course, in the evening after an activity? WY is my daughters top choice and this is my #1 concern.”

    I think it is possible, but you have to understand that there are scuzzballs out there. Are you planning to drop her off at the Blue Line or is she walking from your home to the Blue Line? Walking to station may not be that safe regardless of where you live. For WY, it is a very nice tiny walk from Blue Line to Building, so that is not bad.

    If she is walking to the Blue Line after 5:00 in the dark and no one is walking with her, that does not sound like a good idea. And when she gets to her stop near your home, are you picking her up?

    My child has ridden the train this year as a Freshman. We live in a great neighborhood – one of the safest in the city. Nevertheless, she has had many creeps who have propositioned her, said truly crude things as she walks in and out of train station on both ends of her commute. Happens when she is alone and when she is with a friend. I would not want to subject a 12 year old to that. In just 10 weeks my dd has seen physical confrontations on the train between riders, man hiding his hands while eyeing girls (gross), 1 hour plus delay on platform to shooting (while I waited at home for her to get home) and other weird stuff. She is 14 and has been scared by these situations. I usually am on the phone with her or texting with her whenever she gets spooked. And of course we’ve had the phone battery die when her train was delayed for over an hour (not a fun hour to be waiting at home and wondering).

    And to the parent whose child falls asleep on the train – not a good move.

    Commute is doable, but do it in a group and sign her and her commuting buddies up for Thousand Waves 3 day self-defense class for teens (boys and girls). It is not very expensive, they offer scholarships if needed, and you can even ask them to come to your area just for your group if you can provide a space for them (like a place of worship willing to donate their space). Well worth the time and money to ensure your child is better prepared for public transportation. Plus do dry runs with her and tell her what to do if she misses her stop, loses her bus pass, etc.

    I wouldn’t change the school she chose, but since you asked the question, better that you make an informed decision and be ready to help her be as prepared as possible.

  • 133. realchicagomama  |  November 7, 2014 at 1:24 am

    I think fear of public transportation is what you make it. Some people are freaked out by the train and weirdos on it, and some aren’t. Unless you never leave your house, you are going to encounter someone doing something s/he shouldn’t. There are weirdos everywhere – on the blue line, on the red line, on the Metra, on the bus, in the Target, at the park, in the suburbs, everywhere. You have to help your kids learn to navigate it.

    I saw a 12-year-old ish kid commuting home from school with his 8-year-old ish brother on the bus from downtown to Hyde Park. It was awesome and amazing.

  • 134. 60607parent  |  November 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    We live at the Racine station of the blue line (the stop for Whitney Young). My observation is that around 3:30 pm there are over 100 kids waiting on the platform for trains. In the morning and later in the afternoon there is a steady flow of kids coming and going from the El station. The Loomis entrance is kitty-corner from SE-most corner of the school (and the school is across Loomis from the police academy which lets out between 4 and 5 depending on what classes they are running). The Loomis entrance is less busy than the Racine entrance. In general I would not have any special concerns about the Racine stop but would recommend walking with a friend if using the Loomis entrance after dark. The CTA attendant is usually only at the Racine entrance.

  • 135. Sam  |  November 7, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    @132

    Where on the blue line train is this happening on? My kid takes the train at 6:30 in the morning and 3:40 in the afternoon (on days without club activities) and says no one really bothers her at all while on the train and there are certainly no creeps saying things to her. She’s 12 and turning 13 this year. I do agree that sleeping on the train isn’t the best idea out there and certainly comes with risks but as long as your kid knows what they are doing it should be fine. There will be weirdos everywhere and they’re never going to disappear, so the best thing to do about it is to make sure they know how to deal with situations when they encounter such people. Most of the time it is sufficient to just ignore them and that’s the end of that. It will be rare for the situation to continue any further than that if you’re on the train at the right time (morning-rush, evening-rush) or at least when there’s people around. Not saying this to anybody specifically, but just in general I’ve noticed that people are protecting their kids too much and letting fear get the best of them. My daughter has a friend (very tall for her age, I would say on the bigger side, and probably able to defend against any attackers) whose mom won’t even let her walk home from her school (perhaps a bit less than a mile or so) in this very nice neighborhood (nicer than ours) with these rich, expensive and spacious homes saying its “too dangerous” and she’ll be kidnapped 100%. I understand concerns as a parent but that’s just a bit too ridiculous for me.

  • 136. Sam  |  November 7, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Experience is also key. The first few days things will be unfamilar and scary but with time you’ll get used to it and know your way around. Especially if you’re doing a route almost every weekday.

  • 137. Fam  |  November 8, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    In the interest of casting a wide net, I took my daughter to Kenwood Academic Center’s open house today. The presentation opened up with the jazz band students playing and then segued into a student-produced short film about the AC. Great film! The principal and AC Coordinator presentations were informative and the event was well-attended. Kenwood AC has a lot to offer, as evidenced by the student and parent testimonials we heard and the slide show. My daughter poured over the info folder they gave us to take home. In general, they gave a lot of information about the program, oral and written. They are trying to cover all questions I guess.

  • 138. confusedparent  |  November 17, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Question regarding the scoring on the AC admissions test. My understanding based on the rubric linked above is that the number of correct answers is subtracted from 150, and that result is then multiplied by 3, which is then subtracted from the 300 total points. So, if someone answered 10 questions incorrectly, you would subtract 30 from 300 for a score of 270. Is this correct?

    My child took the AC test and is freaking out because he did not answer 4 questions (so we know that he has at least 4 wrong) and is worried that that will automatically blow his chances of getting into LTAC, even though he has a 600 total points without the AC test (straight As, and 99th percentile NWEA scores). We are in Tier 4. But I don’t think that is necessarily true given the cutoff scores.

    Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks!

  • 139. mila mom  |  November 17, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    138-the rubric concerns how the total score is calculated using the entrance test, grades, and NWEA, but I don’t think the score is calculated just by subtracting one point for each question wrong, rather it is scored like an IQ test with a standard distribution, so the score is arrived at by figuring out what percentile the raw score on the test is (compared to some sort of normed group of the same grade and age as your child), and then assigning a corresponding number based on a standard distribution (so 135 = 99.0). It is possible to get a very high score even if the kid did not finish the last few questions, so no need for you or him to panic.

  • 140. confusedparent  |  November 17, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    @139– Thank you! That makes much more sense.

  • 141. Beth  |  November 22, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    A few weeks back I read that the MAP test would last be given Dec 6-7, however a friend pointed out that unders the “News” section of the site it now says January and that you will receive a letter informing you of test location and time/date about 2 weeks prior. I’m waiting on a call or email for clarfication from OAE. Also does anyone know yet the Feb. test date?

  • 142. Chicago School GPS  |  November 22, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Yes, that MAP request deadline has changed multiple times and now that the Dec 6 & 7 dates are so close, they are having everyone just apply on paper to the schools they want by 12/12/14 and then they will be assigning test dates for NWEA MAP in January and it looks like if you qualify, you get a selective enrollment test date after that. On CPSOAE’s website, it now states:

    “For students who do not currently attend a Chicago public school, and who have not already registered for the test, the NWEA MAP will be offered free of charge in January. You will have to submit paper applications between now and December 12, 2014, for the schools in which you are interested; you cannot apply using the online process and you will not receive a PIN. Paper applications are accessible here. Once we receive your applications, we will schedule your child for the NWEA MAP in January; you will receive a test notification letter approximately two weeks before the test.

    After we receive your child’s NWEA MAP test scores, we will be able to determine his/her eligibility for the programs for which they applied (e.g., Selective Enrollment Elementary or High Schools, IB High Schools, Magnet High Schools, Military Academies, CTE-College and Career Academies). If you mail your applications, we strongly recommend that you (1) have a postal official postmark the envelope in front of you, (2) send your application via certified mail so that you have a receipt, and (3) include a self-addressed, stamped postcard or envelope with your application, which will be mailed back to you as a receipt when your application is received. If your application(s) does not reach our office and you cannot provide proof that you mailed it, your child cannot be considered for the schools in which you are interested.

    If your child is eligible, based on his/her NWEA MAP scores, we will then schedule your child for Selective Enrollment testing, IB and/or Military Academy Information Sessions, and/or Senn Fine Arts Program auditions, as applicable, and notify you by mail of the dates, times, and locations of these appointments.”

    http://www.cpsoae.org/apps/news/show_news.jsp?REC_ID=310055&id=0

  • 143. momofmany  |  November 22, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    ^^^^ The February admissions test date is Feb 8th. It is open to schedule now. I would do so as soon as possible, so that you still have a choice of different times and not just 8 am.

  • 144. JSK  |  November 22, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    @138 & 139: based on this info found on the cps site, it does look as if the entrance exam is basically 3 points per question.

    http://cpsoae.org/Scoring%20Rubric%20–%20Academic%20Centers%20and%20International%20Gifted%20Program%20–%202015-2016.pdf

  • 145. Milamom  |  November 23, 2014 at 7:50 am

    @jsk, the admission rubric does not mean that you lose three points per wrong answer. It doesn’t explain how they come up with your child’s test score, only how they use the score in the 900 point rubric. In terms of how they do come up with the score I don’t know but do not think it is or could be lose three points per wrong answer. First, there are about 72 questions, so the math wouldn’t work. Second, any test produces a raw score (how many questions total on the test the child got right subtracted from the total number of questions). The score for the AC test then converted somehow to the 150 point maximum score parents are given. Cps does not give parents the raw score. The score the parents get (scaled score, I think it’s called) is normed, meaning a scaled score of 100 is supposed to be 50th percentile, 135 is 99.0% etc. So to come up with the scaled score they need to look at where that raw score would put the child, %ile wise, compared to others of roughly the same age. Therefore it isn’t likely that the missed questions decrease the scaled score at even intervals because the population based results wouldn’t shake out that neatly.

    Also wanted to reiterate it is a very hard test, a child can get several wrong and/or finish the last few questions & still get a very high score.

  • 146. JSK  |  November 23, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    @145 – thanks for the clarification. I just assumed there were 150 questions. It makes more sense, given the time expectations, that the number is much lower.

  • 147. mila mom  |  November 23, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    @jsk-No Problem. Second time going thru the AC admission process in our family, so happy to help demystify as best I can.

  • 148. On the edge  |  November 23, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    Has anyone received the results of the MAP test yet? Our child took the test Nov 2, and we were told we would get the results in 3 weeks, which should be soon. Hating the waiting….

  • 149. cpsobsessed  |  November 24, 2014 at 9:39 am

    A friend’s child took map in sept and just get the scores last week.

    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

  • 150. cpsobsessed  |  November 24, 2014 at 9:42 am

    Sorry, clarification. She said they probably came soon, but she just got them during the parent-teacher conference. (So that is actually no help to you at all….)

    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

  • 151. On the edge  |  November 24, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    sorry, meant the AC admission test, not the MAP test. eek.

  • 152. Beth  |  November 24, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    Does anyone know if Feb. 8 is the only AC test date? I received confirmation from OAE that because our child is not currently in CPS that she will take the MAP in January and get the US mail notification approx. 2 weeks prior as mentioned above. When I asked if we could schedule the AC exam now, pending the MAP results, an OAE rep replied “Since you will be submitting paper applications and unable to obtain a pin number, our office will be scheduling the exam for you, pending the eligibility results from the NWEA MAP test. Due to this, I cannot at this time state what date a student will be taking the entrance exam for Selective Enrollment schools.”

    Are there multiple dates? I understand if we don’t get an “ideal” time slot for a test, but I am trying to determine a test date so that we can block this out on our calendar as we consider whether we can travel to see family. (I have this question into OAE also, of course, and am waiting to hear.) thanks-

  • 153. @152 &@149  |  November 25, 2014 at 12:22 am

    Hmmm…149 the only results that usually come early are the HS admission tests AND that’s if you take it before a certain timeframe. I don’t believe that CPS releases the AC test score early like the HS admissions test.

    Last year, I applied at the last minute on purpose to get my son a later test date, so he could have more time to prep. I believe we tested in late January. I think because CPS has fewer AC test applicants that their are fewer test dates. I think they like to wait get a big group then offer test dates. Now, that CPS has to wait for non-CPS students to take the MAP that logistically they have to offer later dates with other tests sessions. Your best bet should be calling OAE to ask so you can schedule your vacation around anticipated dates. I am sure they have some idea about how many more AC test dates they will hold!

  • 154. west rogers park mom  |  November 25, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    My kid took the AC test 11/16 and we were told the results would be out before the application deadline.

    A reminder for those taking the MAP test– have your child tell you the number they get at the end of the test. It’s easy to go on line and figure out what the % is from the number.

  • 155. JSK  |  November 25, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    @153: When signing up for an AC test date, the CPS info said if we chose a date no later than 11/16, we would receive the scores in approximately 3 weeks. That would be prior to the application deadline. I know families who had the earliest dates (11/2?) but have not received their scores.

  • 156. AC mom  |  November 26, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    @152: My child took the MAP in September, we applied as soon as the online was available and then waited to reschedule when they had later dates open. Initially we picked 11/22, rescheduled to 2/14/15 but then received a letter stating over scheduling has made them add another date, in which my child switched to, of 2/15/15.

  • 157. bethleistensnider  |  November 26, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    @156 thanks, since you have a PIN and could apply online are you able to see all the test dates that are available? I cannot and when I called OAE, they said they would have a “learning specialist” contact me because my questions were “beyond simple.” All I was asking was what are test dates that are currently scheduled. I understand that test dates may be added if needed, but not exactly sure why it is such a difficult question to ask what dates are already scheduled, and are they full yet or not.

  • 158. AC mom  |  November 26, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    @157 -they give one reschedule request, anything beyond that needs to be an urgent reason. When I applied they had, I believe, 2/8 & 2/14, I took the latter and was pushed out to 2/15. When I went back to look for any other dates, the reschedule button is no longer an option, for me at least, unless I schedule for a classical test.

  • 159. Beth  |  November 26, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Thanks for this info. Someone at OAE told me “since you have to apply on paper and cannot get a PIN, the office will be scheduling the test for you pending eligibility determined by the January MAP test.” It’s just frustrating that everything is set up so you just have to wait and wait and then be ready to drop everything for the test date they tell you. I understand they may not be able to provide a definitive list of test dates, but perhaps more info including what has happened in recent years would be helpful. What is the latest testing has ever gone? If acceptances are sent out in late March, has testing ever pushed into early March, especially since if you are already getting pushed to February 15 due to overscheduling and my daughter cannot take the MAP until till January–which was pushed out from December.

  • 160. AC mom  |  November 26, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    Beth, I doubt they will be able to give you anything comparable to previous years being this is the first year they only accept MAP test scores. If you are that interested in having your child test it seems you will need to just have a clear schedule to be on the safe side from February into early March. My guess is they continue to push dates out since they are adjusting as applicants needing MAP testing continues to be requested and then scheduled out. I’m not even sure if/when they have a cut off date for requesting MAP testing. We might not even get the March letters until April if this continues. I had to push off a trip as well until April just to be sure we don’t miss anything.

  • 161. Beth  |  November 26, 2014 at 11:55 pm

    Thanks for your input, AC Mom. I am going to wait to hear from the learning specialist to see if he has more insight about the scheduling. The cutoff for requesting a MAP test is November 28. But information seems to change weekly. When I requested in early November it said the last MAP test date would be December 6 or 7. Now of course it is January. I am fine if it pushes into early March, that would be great, but I really don’t like this inability to plan ahead!

  • 162. On the edge  |  November 29, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Confirming that we did receive the AC test results, so check those mailboxes if your child tested early!

  • 163. confusedparent  |  November 29, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Thank you 162- on what day did your child test?

  • 164. confusedparent  |  November 29, 2014 at 10:45 am

    @162- Never mind. I saw your answer above! Thanks for letting us know.

  • 165. Tacocat  |  November 29, 2014 at 11:55 am

    I’m having trouble understanding the cutoff scores.

    http://cpsoae.org/Academic%20Centers%20-%20revised%20cutoff%20scores%20using%20NWEA%20scores_v3.pdf

    What is the difference between Min, Mean, & Actual Cutoff Scores?
    (i know the definitions, but the numbers make no sense)

    For example, Harlan Tier 4:
    Mean = 573.9
    Min = 574
    Actual Cutoff = 516

    How can the Min be greater than the Mean????

  • 166. @165  |  November 29, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    That chart you are looking at shows how the kids that were admitted to ACs last year would have done if the NWEA was used instead of ISAT. Therefore, there are two minimums the actual scores from last year and scores converted over using the NWEA. The thought behind putting this chart out was to show how scores are predicted to drop because of the use of the NWEA.

  • 167. Tacocat  |  November 29, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    @166, thanks for the explanation. So, Actual Cutoff score = ISAT and Min = NWEA?

    Also, how is the Min > Mean for Harlan Tier 4?

  • 168. @165  |  November 29, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Are you interested in Harlan? Last year they had a total of about 30 students for the whole AC. That program won’t survive much longer. It should be moved to another high school IMHO! I’m not sure I understand your question above. I can tell you it is very easy to get into Harlan.

  • 169. Tacocat  |  November 29, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    no, we’re not interested in Harlan. I’m just trying to understand these numbers. I just don’t get how the min can be greater than the mean. I’m not sure if it’s a typo or if I’m just not understanding the data. There is also a line on each school with the label, “raw”. My assumption is that is the data not segmented by Tier. But the numbers would not support that either.

  • 170. @165  |  November 29, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    I think the mean is the mean from when ISATs were used. That’s why you are getting confused. Think of it as 2 sets of data showing the same thing. Use the cutoffs from the NWEA to determine if your child has a shot. If your child’s score is higher using the nwea than the ISAT cut off than you are all good!

    I think selection method uses raw vs tier to denote raw scores are used for rank scores or the highest scores where tiers aren’t factored. The other scores uses the highest scores by tiers.

  • 171. @165  |  November 29, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    To be clear there is no way of knowing what the cut offs will be. You can use either the NWEA or ISATs as a guideline. When the current 7th graders at ACs now took the nwea it was believed that the test was no big deal because the ISAT was previously the high stakes tests. It is quite conceivable that kids didn’t take it as seriously as they do now in 5th & 7th grades.

  • 172. @165  |  November 29, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    Oops & to correct my statement. I meant the mean is the mean score when the NWEA was used. The mean for Harlan tier 4 is 573 but the minimum says 574. I think the selection pool for Harlan skews the data a bit. I think very few people actually put Harlan down on the application so that’s why it looks strange. Look at the other schools & their data & it all makes sense. Therefore most of the tier 4 poeple who applied to Harlan scored at 573 probably weren’t admitted. However that may only have been 2-3 students in tier 4 to select from because it is not a very popular AC.

  • 173. cpsobsessed  |  November 29, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Thanks for posting those scores. I actually hadn’t looked since we’d decided my son wouldn’t pursue ACs. What I’m still unclear on is the %s related to the entrance exam scores. I think if he got a 138/150 on the exam, he’d have a shot at Lane (assuming the cutoffs hold up.) How do we know what percentile that is? My understanding is that it’s pretty high to get a 138 (like very top percentile.)

    I still feel like we’re better off passing on it, as he’d thrive better in his current elementary school. Of course it’s hard to resist finding out how the entrance exam score would shake out, for my own sake of knowing.

  • 174. Tacocat  |  November 30, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    @173, I think it’s strange that the NWEA uses a percentile score where the entrance exam is a raw score. There are so many things about this process that are confusing to me.

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  • 176. AC questions  |  December 2, 2014 at 11:35 am

    #162–does the letter have both a raw score for the entrance test and a total score for the points your child earned out of 300? Does it also calculate your child’s score out of the possible 900 points? My kid took the test on November 16, so we are watching our mailbox carefully!

  • 177. @176  |  December 2, 2014 at 11:41 am

    If I recall correctly I went through this last year! It had the raw score for the exam & total points out of 900. I had to use the OAE rubric to convert the raw score to the points from the 300. Good luck!

  • 178. Chris  |  December 2, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    “I still feel like we’re better off passing on it, as he’d thrive better in his current elementary school. Of course it’s hard to resist finding out how the entrance exam score would shake out, for my own sake of knowing.”

    Why not have him take the test, just to take it, and as a practice run for the HS test (yes, I know they aren’t exactly the same. still)?

    Just a dry run of the experience of sitting thru the style of test administration has value.

  • 179. WRP Mom  |  December 3, 2014 at 8:28 am

    @178 Chris, not only is the type of test (AC vs. SEHS) different, the test conditions/experience are also way different. The AC test is like 45 minutes at IIT and they had a screen up front showing the time remaining. Hard test in a short period of time.

    When my daughter took the SEHS test last year at Lane, it took 3 hours total. It was 4 sections with a short stretching break in between each. The proctors announced when it was halfway time though the longer sections; NO time update/feedback during the one that was 15 minutes long (vocab?) and my child ran out of time and was unable to finish that section. She felt the SEHS material was like a really long ISAT. Not as difficult as the AC test, but the conditions were grueling.

    I really do not see how taking the AC test is any kind of practice for the SEHS. The experiences were completely different.

  • 180. Tacocat  |  December 3, 2014 at 9:35 am

    @176, the letter only had score from the entrance exam. But our elementary school provided the other 600 points which are made up from 5th grade scores and NWEA map scores.
    So we now know our son’s total score. All that’s missing now are the new cutoff scores. Thanks.

  • 181. Chris  |  December 3, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    “I really do not see how taking the AC test is any kind of practice for the SEHS. The experiences were completely different.”

    Opinions differ.

    Are you saying that the format of selecting answers was completely different? Is one done on computer and the other on paper? There’s pressure attendant with one, but not the other?

    Nothing *at all* to glean from one that possibly could be a benefit on the other? For *any* kid, ever?

  • 182. @181  |  December 3, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    The AC test is like an IQ test & the HS exam is like an aptitude test. For instance, on the AC test in the math section there are problems called paper folding. Holes are punched and when you open the paper the child would have to visualize where the holes would be. The HS exam has straight forward actual math problems. Also on the AC exam there are no reading passages.

  • 183. Chris  |  December 3, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    @182

    And?

    So your position is that taking a standardized test, in an unfamiliar environment, is exactly zero benefit for taking a different standardized test in another unfamiliar environment?

    I assume you (both?) disapprove of test prep in general as having no benefit, either.

  • 184. cpsobsessed  |  December 3, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    Chris, why such the emphasis on absolutes? Can we agree that most people make a comment with the implied “generally speaking” attached to it?

    I don’t know that anyone’s opinion likely ever means “in no case ever in the entire history of time or future will this be untrue.”. I don’t tend to interpret the comment that way. Do you?

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  • 185. Robin in WRP  |  December 3, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    Here are my two cents. Way back when we were attending open houses for prospective families, Mrs. Schacter (the original Decatur Classical principal) had one piece of advice for parents asking how to best prepare their children to test into the school. Expose them to as much as possible. Museums, parks, walks downtown, etc. I thinking that the experience of taking a standardized test has value for most students.

  • 186. Pedant  |  December 3, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    Chris has to shoot down any opinion that is different from his in any way no matter how trivial the difference.

  • 187. HS Mom  |  December 3, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    I agree that test practice “in general” is a good thing. I mean some people have their kids sit for the ACT in 7th and 8th grade for practice. That’s not horrible,,,,,in fact many people pay big bucks to have someone run through practice tests with their kid.

    I can can also see where people would not want to bother taking their kid all the way to IIT for a time pressure test when they see no benefit. Others see it as an opportunity, and are willing to take a little time to try new things. Worst that can happen is nothing. Best that can happen is that child does well making unexpected options available. Or maybe they just get a little bit more comfortable taking tests.

  • 188. Chris  |  December 4, 2014 at 8:17 am

    CPSO:

    I was reacting to this:

    “I really do not see how taking the AC test is any kind of practice for the SEHS. ”

    which is pretty darn absolute.

    And *that* was a response to my qualified (ie, acknowledging the tests themselves are different) statement about “why not a dry run”.

    So, am I missing out on some off-board subtext/discussion?

  • 189. cpsobsessed  |  December 4, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Ok, not trying to turn this into bashing session.

    Just want to remind us not to get too caught up in the minutia as we discuss general ideas.

    My son is like this and my mom calls him “the guardian of the English language.” You can debate the details of one word of your sentence with him for 30 minutes, while he ignores the main point of what you’re trying to say. I’m hoping this will make for a lucrative career for him as a trial attorney someday.

  • 190. Friendly Advice  |  December 4, 2014 at 11:29 am

    You encourage people to discount your sometimes very good points when you refuse to just let things go that are not worth debating. Pick your battles. Concede a point once in awhile. Otherwise it really looks like you are only in it for ego. Then we lose respect.

    “And *that* was a response to my qualified (ie, acknowledging the tests themselves are different) statement about “why not a dry run”.

    So, am I missing out on some off-board subtext/discussion?”

  • 191. Chris  |  December 4, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    @190:

    Would everyone feel better if I just said that I agree with WRP Mom, and that I now see the light and that having your kid take the AC test as a ‘practice’ for the SEHS test is a stupid idea, that has no value?

    I’m still incredulous that someone(s) think that there is zero benefit across the board–while I acknowledge *absolutely* that a given kid might not get anything out of it–“impossible to see any practice benefit” doesn’t make sense to me.

    I’m also incredulous that I am the one being pilloried for “using absolutes”–there are absolutes thrown around here *all the time*, including the very statement that I was objecting too.

  • 192. AC score in!  |  December 5, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Daughter’s AC entrance exam score came today–264 out of 300, so total score 864 out of 900. Tier 4. Hoping for Lane AC. I know what the cutoff scores last year said, but what are the chances, really? This waiting may be the death of us. Please post scores as you get them, folks! I need a reality check.

  • 193. momofmany  |  December 5, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    My daughter isn’t testing until February, so I don’t have scores to add, but I’d say that you still have an ok chance, based on the revised cut scores found at

    http://www.cpsoae.org/Academic%20Centers%20-%20revised%20cutoff%20scores%20using%20NWEA%20scores_v2.pdf

    And if your daughter scored 99th/99th %tile on the MAP as indicated above then even if she doesn’t get into an AC she should do very well on the HS entrance exam when that time comes.

    I would be very proud. She did a great job!

  • 194. confusedparent  |  December 5, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    @192, on what date did your child test?

  • 195. AC score in!  |  December 5, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    She took the test on 11/16.

  • 196. confusedparent  |  December 5, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    Mine took the test on 11/16 as well, but I haven’t gotten it yet. Hopefully tomorrow!

  • 197. Mark  |  December 5, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    My daughter received her score today…142 for a total of 868. Took the test 11/16. Tier 4. Hope it will be enough but either way very proud of her. Good luck everyone.

  • 198. JSK  |  December 5, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    My daughter took the test 11/16 along with several classmates. Some got letters today, some didn’t. She did really well, so now we have to make some decisions.

  • 199. cpsobsessed  |  December 5, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    Those with high scoring ac kids – have they always tested well? Any test prep?

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  • 200. Jen K  |  December 5, 2014 at 11:45 pm

    Mine has always tested well. No prep classes but I did buy a workbook with sample questions (cogat?) so she would be familiar with the type of questions.

  • 201. AC score in!  |  December 6, 2014 at 5:06 am

    Not sure if YOU consider 264 “high scoring,” cps obsessed, but this was WITH test prep. Very proud of my kid, working so hard in fifth grade and doing well on the test, but sadly, I do not think her composite 864 is high enough for a tier 4 spot at Lane this year. (I know what the NWEA-modified cut off scores say, but anecdotally, we know at least 8 kids who got 99s on their NWEAs, including our kid, so maybe it was not as hard to score well as they think?) I know someone who got their AC score yesterday that was 891. With only 120 seats at Lane AC, it’s going to be tough to get one. My kid is happy yet a little sad. We are celebrating her hard work and achievement (her goal was to beat 861, last year’s cut score), but I am nervous. March cannot come soon enough! This is overwhelming. Best of luck, everyone!

  • 202. On the edge  |  December 6, 2014 at 8:04 am

    874 here. Fingers crossed for WY.

  • 203. Nacy  |  December 6, 2014 at 11:36 am

    890 here

  • 204. Nacy  |  December 6, 2014 at 11:38 am

    For WY

  • 205. momofmany  |  December 6, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    AC Score In!,

    Are the children that you know of with 99/99 on the MAP in SEES? My dd scored 98/99 and was the top scorer in her neighborhood school (by a wide margin), I have a relative that also scored a 98/99 and was the top scorer at his magnet (again by quite a bit). Just trying to get a feel for the relative rarity of top scores.

    Thanks

  • 206. cpsobsessed  |  December 6, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    My understanding is that any tier 4 kids who get a spot at lane or WY are among the very top percentile scorers, correct?

    If so, the 2 kids – know at lane came from a neighborhood school.
    Think they were the only 2 to go to ACs.

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  • 207. AC score in!  |  December 6, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Yes, the kids, including mine, who got 99s in both math and reading are in SEES.

  • 208. momofmany  |  December 6, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    ^^^ Sorry, I’m confused. Are you saying that only 2 kids in Lane AC right now came from neighborhood schools? Only 2 tier 4 kids? I’m starting to think that hearing about scores earlier is going to make the waiting so much worse.

  • 209. cpsobsessed  |  December 6, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    No, I meant 2 kids from that particular neighborhood school went to ACs.
    Sorry for any confusion!

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  • 210. cpsobsessed  |  December 6, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Compared to at least 1/3 of my son’s rgc 6th grade class who left for ACs.

    Net: neighborhood/magnet school kids do certainly get into ACs, but getting those top scores in a neighborhood magnet school is probably less common.

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  • 211. confusedparent  |  December 6, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    Got ours today for a total of 867: 300 for grades, 300 for MAP (99th reading and math), 267 AC test.

    FWIW, my kid is the one who didn’t answer 4 questions on AC test.

    Hoping for Lane, but we are Tier 4, so we’ll just have to see.

  • 212. confusedparent  |  December 6, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    @201– 861 was the actual cutoff score for WY, not Lane.

    http://cpsoae.org/Academic%20Centers%20-%20revised%20cutoff%20scores%20using%20NWEA%20scores_v3.pdf

    So I wouldn’t be too bummed, if Lane is your first choice.

  • 213. Beth  |  December 7, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Those whose children are still going to take the test in February, are you still being allowed to schedule for February 8? I know a previous poster said they were pushed to February 15. Someone from OAE called and left me a voicemail indicating that Feb 8 was still open. We can’t schedule because my daughter is taking the MAP in January still. I had asked him if we were allowed to schedule the AC pending the MAP results in order to try to get the February 8 date and he just ignored that question and simply said “yes, the AC exam dates are Feb 8 and 15.” (Never spoke directly to him, he was given my question by someone else and called and left me a vm, I called him back and got his vm.)

  • 214. west rogers park mom  |  December 7, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    Not such great news for the AC test over here. My kid took the test for IG programs last year and we were hoping for an increase. However, her score declined. I just spent some time looking at the cut off scores and it is really going to depend on what the scores actually are. She ‘should’ get into Lane according to last years actual and revised charts, but if the cut off scores go up significantly again it won’t happen. I guess the silver lining is we no longer have to engage in “Lane v. Whitney” debates over the dinner table.

  • 215. IG?  |  December 7, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    Does anyone know how the scoring works for the IG/AC test? The scoring rubric lists “150+,” indicating that the top score could be higher than 150.

    She felt good, but left some unanswered. Wondering how much impact that will have.

  • 216. Oneandonly  |  December 8, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    @215 IG? – I’m pretty sure 150 is the max that one can score on the RGC/AC test.

  • 217. 217  |  December 8, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    150+just for K

  • 218. Oneandonly  |  December 9, 2014 at 1:02 am

    Got letter today- 145 on AC test; over all score 878.9. We’ll see.

  • 219. 217  |  December 9, 2014 at 2:13 am

    which school?

  • 220. Oneandonly  |  December 9, 2014 at 2:38 am

    Hoping for Lane

  • 221. confusedparent  |  December 9, 2014 at 10:42 am

    So I know that no one knows for sure, but we are Tier 4 with an 867 total score. What do people think our chances are for Lane AC? Are we just going to be out of luck, or do you think there is still a shot?

    Also did Lane do a 2nd round last year?

    Thank you.

  • 222. JSK  |  December 9, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    @218 my daughter has a similar number and I keep saying “she did well enough to have a good shot but not well enough that we are sure!”. Serenity now…until March 20…

  • 223. confusedparent  |  December 9, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    @222: I feel like if @218’s score is a “maybe” then we are not even in the running for LTAC at a 267 total score.

    In any event, don’t know why I am post-morteming this. Must find something else to do.

  • 224. confusedparent  |  December 9, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    I meant an 867 total score . . .

  • 225. KMB  |  December 9, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    I don’t have scores to report since my child won’t be taking the test until February but I think everyone needs to get some perspective. 867 is a great score and almost 20 points higher than last year’s actual cut off score for Lane for tier 4 using ISATs. I find it hard to believe that Lane’s cut off score will be 20 points higher this year. I guess it is possible but not likely.

  • 226. west rogers park mom  |  December 9, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Thank you 255! Seriously folks if you are within 10 points of last year’s actual cut off scores I think you can be ‘cautiously optimistic’. I really hope there are many more people out there like me, with a super bright kid that ended up with a score in the 830’s. Sure, anything can happen but it does seem that only the high scorers self report on this blogs (or maybe that is just wishful thinking on my part).

  • 227. TheWholeChild  |  December 9, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    I’m with you, “west rogers park mom”! My kid (i’m guessing, like yours) happens to be built in such a way that makes her very successful in “mainstream education”. She had her easy 600 points in the 99th percentile in math and reading and straight As. Then she came out of the test and reported that, in wanting to take her time and remain zen for the test, she wasn’t able to get to answering 6 questions. 6 questions–unanswered–(and therefore marked as wrong) right out the door. This first hand experience with my own kid reminded me pretty hard that no matter how meticulous these kids and their folks get preparing for this test, real life (and it’s test day fevers, its jittery nerves, its excitement about that weekend’s play performance/sports practice, or even my daughter’s desire to “remain zen” ) is going to slip in there in any number of ways and effect lots of kids’ scores. (My vague way of saying that you are totally right. There is a wider scale of scores out there. Most parents who report on here are going to have kids with high scores, because the majority of us who have super awesome (slightly less) stellar scores are too nervous to post due to all of that life that snuck into the mix.)

  • 228. Chris  |  December 9, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    “it does seem that only the high scorers self report on this blogs”

    Especially within the first couple days after results come in.

    There is a *slight* moderating over time–when the less obsessed pop in and ask “is there any chance for [school] with XXX score?”

  • 229. cpsobsessed  |  December 9, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    It has proven steady over time that the most “obsessed” seem to have high scoring kids.

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  • 230. Robin in WRP  |  December 9, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    229 – this is true for parents with children at either end of the academic spectrum

  • 231. cpsobsessed  |  December 9, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Mm, yes. Very good point.

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  • 232. IBobsessed  |  December 9, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    @228, 29, 30, and 31. Yes, that’s why I think of this blog as Lake Wobegan. All the children are above average. 🙂

  • 233. IBobsessed  |  December 9, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    Or deviate from the average in some respect.

  • 234. Mike  |  December 10, 2014 at 2:14 am

    I am trying to fill the listing of school in online application for AC/RGC/IB programs. Can I fill rankings for 6 AC, 6RGC and 2 IB programs separately or total 6 schools? Please clarify.
    Thanks

  • 235. Chicago School GPS  |  December 10, 2014 at 7:34 am

    Yes, your incoming 7th grader is eligible for all those programs, as there is one test that encompasses all 3 types of programs. Incoming 8th graders can also apply for those, but some ACs do not accept 8th graders. If you are interested in Skinner North & Skinner West, you can also schedule an exam for & apply to the Classical schools.

    If you want to change your already submitted application, you can do so by Feb. 20 via a paper form: http://cpsoae.org/Application%20Modification%20Form%20–%20SEES%202015-2016.pdf

  • 236. momofmany  |  December 10, 2014 at 7:38 am

    ^^^ The ranks are filled in independently of each other. So, you rank up to 6 ACs, 6 SEES, and 2 IG. You do not need to fill in all of the choices. For example, we only ranked 3 ACs and nothing else.

  • 237. cpsobsessed  |  December 10, 2014 at 9:32 am

    From chicagoschoolGPS:

    I answered him online but I forgot to stress that not only can you apply to all those but you can also get an offer to each type. So you could get 3 offers from that one application.
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  • 238. Beth  |  December 10, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Heads-up if you are hand delivering an AC (or other) application today, tomorrow or Friday. They moved from 125 S. Clark to 42 W. Monroe. I walked into Clark after having a hell of a time finding a place to park, and was told brusquely that they moved a few days ago. (We couldn’t apply online because my daughter is not in CPS now and is taking the MAP in January.)

  • 239. Fam  |  December 10, 2014 at 11:55 pm

    @Beth, what is the cross street with Monroe?

  • 240. bethleistensnider  |  December 11, 2014 at 12:02 am

    Eek, sorry 42 W. Madison NOT Monroe. It’s on Madison between State and Dearborn.

  • 241. WRP Mom  |  December 11, 2014 at 8:47 am

    @221, I don’t believe Lane had a second round last year or the year before. WYAC hasn’t had one for years. Taft, however, goes through several rounds.

  • 242. LTAC7thgradermom  |  December 12, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    No second round at Lane last year–they accepted 130 students.

  • 243. Beth  |  December 18, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Does anyone know if they are still scheduling students in the February 8 test? I am still trying to get an answer from someone at OAE if we have a conflict on Feb 15, if we can still get Feb. 8, or if there will be a Feb 22 or 23 test or even later. If you are assigned a test date and really need to reschedule is that possible?

  • 244. AC Question  |  January 25, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    How many slots are available at Lindblom for the 7th grade AC program?

  • 245. Pantherettie  |  January 25, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    My dd’s 2014 7th grade class has about 135 kids. I heard from some some parents and teachers that the class is slightly smaller this year.

  • 246. Mom_1974  |  February 9, 2015 at 10:35 am

    My ds was among one of the last groups of kids to take ac admission test (Feb 8th). So glad it’s over!

    Now, we wait for results. Question for those of you who tested earlier, how long until we get the results?

  • 247. Beth  |  February 9, 2015 at 10:43 am

    My daughter took the exam yesterday as well and she said they told them they would receive their results in early March. The check-in staff told me the acceptance notifications would go out in late March.

  • 248. west rogers park mom  |  February 9, 2015 at 10:44 am

    You will get your test results in March- with the admissions letter. We took the test earlier so got the results before the deadline. Now we know the number but have no idea where the scores will fall next year. It’s almost as nervewracking. My kid is very close to the Whitney adjusted cut off, and does has many points to spare for the Lane actual cut off. If neither of those work out our family will be fine with Taft as well, especially since the new principal is making the AC program more rigorous with more HS credits.

  • 249. momofmany  |  February 9, 2015 at 11:23 am

    We will not receive the results of the February tests until we receive the acceptance letters. Letters are mailed 3/20.

  • 250. Sandra  |  February 16, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    My son took the SEES test yesterday, Feb. 18.
    The people at check-in said that test results and the acceptance notification will come as two separate letters – one in early to mid March, another one late March to early April.

  • 251. west rogers park mom  |  February 19, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Application modification forms are due Friday February 20, 2015 at 5:00 pm http://www.cpsoae.org/Application%20Modification%20Form%20–%20SEES%202015-2016_v4.pdf

    This is your last chance to change your ranking or add a school that you didn’t originally put down.

  • 252. Overthinking Mom  |  February 20, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    Last day to turn in application modification form with any changes to ranking your schools. I am way over thinking and agonizing whether to rank Ogden IG or Lincoln IG as first choice. Anyone have any thoughts about which is the better program or what the differences are?

  • 253. west rogers park mom  |  February 20, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    They don’t post the scores so its hard to know for sure but from last years scores reported here it seems that Lincoln’s scores are higher than Ogden’s. Both schools had subsequent rounds so if you scored high enough for a Lincoln offer and declined it, chances are you would get an Ogden offer down the road. Of course, there are never any guarantees and there are so many individual factors that go into the ranking decisions.

  • 254. momofmany  |  February 20, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    Also, Ogden guarantees admittance to Ogden HS. Lincoln does NOT guarantee admittance to Lincoln Park HS. Just one more thing to take onto consideration.

  • 255. AML  |  February 26, 2015 at 7:24 am

    Can anyone shed light on the WY 3 week orientation? Is it really half days? Mornings or afternoons? What do the kids do during that time and when is it usually held (end of summer)?

  • 256. Robin in WRP  |  February 26, 2015 at 7:54 am

    My daughter went in the mornings; I believe it was at the beginning of the summer; I know that we had to work around camp commitments. They get a “taste” of classes and teachers (complete with homework), a feel for the layout of the building, and make friends. It definitely made the transition easier. It was also our first (and only) carpool experience; we were fortunate to have a parent who was teaching at UIC

  • 257. ChiMom  |  February 26, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    My son is in 8th grade at WY, before he started 7th they had 2 weeks of orientation in August – half days in morning. If your child is accepted, I would highly recommend scheduling any vacations around it.

  • 258. Chris  |  February 26, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    “Lincoln does NOT guarantee admittance to Lincoln Park HS”

    Are there a lot of out-of-boundary kids at Lincoln ES?

    Everyone who lives in the ES A-A, is also within the LPHS A-A, so I must be missing some distinction you are making.

  • 259. Oneandonly  |  February 26, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    If you attend the Gifted IB program (6-8) at Lincoln, you don’t have to live in the attendance area; and are not guaranteed entry into the IB programme at Lincoln Park HS.

  • 260. bethleistensnider  |  February 26, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    Is there a LTAC summer orientation as well I assume? Do you find out when that wound be at the same time as whether or not you’ve been accepted?

  • 261. AE  |  February 26, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    For LTAC, there is a one-day orientation at the start of the summer. (Students are also on-campus a separate day for placement exams and auditions, if applicable — math, foreign language, music).

    In addition, the week before school starts, there is an overnight field trip to Camp Duncan. All of the LTAC teachers attend, and the focus is on fun, team-building activities, etc.

    Both the overnight trip and orientation encourage social interaction — the kids get to know each other and the building. Re: academics, there is a summer English assignment for all students. I believe the details were shared at the orientation.

    For us, the transition to LTAC was no problem.

  • 262. paulina12  |  February 26, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    @261 thanks for that info, I appreciate. Funny I just picked up a Camp Duncan brochure this evening when picking up my daughter from swimming at High Ridge Y.

  • 263. Marta  |  March 4, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    Does anyone know when the letters of acceptance will be send out? I see lot info about HS but nothing about 7th graders. We still didn’t receive anything.

  • 264. Sandra  |  March 4, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    At the test site they said that letters of acceptance will be send out in April, but letters with the test results for those, who took the test in February, should go out sometime in early March. Which is about now 🙂

  • 265. Sandra  |  March 4, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    March 20.

    “When will I find out if my child has been accepted?
    Notification letters will be mailed by March 20, 2015. Results cannot be given to parents via telephone. If you do not receive a notification letter within two weeks of the designated date, contact the Office of Access and Enrollment at (773) 553-2060 or oae@cps.edu. ”
    http://www.cpsoae.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=72695&type=d&termREC_ID=&pREC_ID=121684

  • 266. MJ  |  March 5, 2015 at 11:18 am

    Just spoke with someone at OAE who said that kids who took the AC test in December – February wouldn’t be receiving a separate letter with test results. For those who didn’t test in time to get results prior to submitting their applications, test results will only be included with the results letter sent out on March 20.

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