Talk Tiers with OAE Weds May 29 6pm at Portage Park Auditorium

May 24, 2013 at 4:07 pm 48 comments

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Alderman Cullerton of the 38th Ward is hosting a get-together with local parents and OAE for an informational meeting about the Tier System follow by questions and answers.   He is facilitating and the special OAE guest is Kathryn Ellis. 

This is a nice chance to hear about the Tier System straight from the horse’s mouth!  And ask the horse questions!

Kathryn Ellis is actually a bit like Mr. Ed – smart and straight-forward when talking about the Tier system in CPS.  (and I mean that in the best possible way in a sea of non-straightforward CPS.)

This neighborhood has experienced some re-Tiering lately that has cause concern and the Alderman has set up this meeting.  I assume some of the talk will be about certain neighborhoods near Portage Park, but it’s also a chance to talk to OAE and ask questions about the Tier System.   Will you get your street re-Tiered by showing up?  Probably not.  Is it good to get your voice heard?  Definitely.

I plan to be there since it’s always interesting to learn about this stuff.  Please come by if you can.  Thanks to the reader who sent me the info about the meeting.

Of course I will ask if the Tier system is going to be continued (and I think I already know the answer since I heard it from Kathryn earlier this year, but perhaps things have changed…..as they do in CPS.)

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  • 1. RL Julia  |  May 24, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    so… is the tier system going to be continued?

  • 2. Marketing Mom  |  May 24, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    I will try to make it. Portage Park is a working class community that has many ethnic groups, including many Hispanics. For some areas there to be tier 4 is beyond comprehension.

  • 3. Iheoma  |  May 24, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Subscribing

  • 4. Chicago School GPS  |  May 24, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    If they don’t move away from the Tier system perhaps they could, at the very least, change the percentages to 40/60 or 50/50 rank/tier? Or explain why they didn’t choose those percentages.

  • 5. Chicago Mama  |  May 24, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Portage Park school auditorium or the park’s auditorium?

  • 6. Christopher Ball (@skepticismwins)  |  May 25, 2013 at 11:54 am

    How many students are actually enrolled in SEES? I know the HS figures are handy or relatively so, but I have never been able to get ahold of clear figues for SEES because the usual school enrollment #s don’t differentiate between neighborhood, magnet, and gifted enrollments at school, like Pritzker, that have multiple populations.

  • 7. Christopher Ball (@skepticismwins)  |  May 25, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Be careful what you wish for with the tier system. I was able to figure out how many students are in RGC and Classical schools, but that leaves out the 6-8 int’l programs and the 7-8 academic centers. About 4% of K-8 students in Chicago are in the RGC & Classical schools: 10,578 students out of 266,555 K-8 students. Because I cannot include the other 6-8 programs, the real rate is higher than 4%.

    In NYC, which uses only exams (no tiers), they have only 3.3% of their students in gifted programs (this is the K-5 range because NYC has separate intermediate schools for all 6-8, and has a different set of G programs for them). They have 14,093 gifted K-5 out of 422,683 K-5 students.

    If you applied the NYC rate, 3.3%, to Chicago, you would have 8,887 K-8 gifted seats, or 1,690 fewer, for K-8.

    If you wanted to restrict gifted and talented to students who perform two standard deviations above the mean, then you would be looking for a system that would admit only 2.25% of the student population, or about 6,000 students, or almost 4,600 fewer students than the current one.

    Would people be willing to see the tier system go, but make the gifted program more selective?

  • 8. cpskool  |  May 25, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Portage Park School Auditorium 5330 Berteau

  • 9. Mary M  |  May 25, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    If u shake Cullertons hand: 1) keep your other hand on your wallet, and 2) bring a towel to wipe his slime off your hand.

  • […] Talk Tiers with OAE Weds May 29 6pm at Portage Park Auditorium cpsobsessed: Alderman Cullerton of the 38th Ward is hosting a get-together with local parents and OAE for an informational meeting about the Tier System follow by questions and answers.   He is facilitating and the special OAE guest is Kathryn Ellis.  […]

  • 11. cpsmama  |  May 28, 2013 at 9:18 am

    I’d like to attend, but I may not make it. Can someone make sure CPS answers these questions about Tiers:

    (1) Statistically, how has Tier-based admissions system affected diversity in SEES & SEHS? (ie which groups have gained, which have lost, which have remained fairly constant)

    (2) Does CPS considered SEES & SEHS as “gifted” programs or merely academically accelerated programs?

    (3) Will CPS consider re-instituting a minimum test score for admissions to gifted programs?

    (4) For years, WYAC only offered Honors Algebra (7th) & Honors Geometry (8th) as math classes. Since the Tier system was introduced, WYAC has added 2 lower level Math courses to accommodate the lower scoring students- how does CPS reconcile this with the purpose of an AC (ie accelerated HS curriculum for academically gifted middle school students?)

    (5) If a student lives in Tier 1 on the date he/she takes SEES or SEHS admissions test and subsequently moves to higher tier- which address controls for admissions?

    (6) Is CPS taking any steps to investigate Tier fraud?

  • 12. cpsobsessed  |  May 28, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Those are great questions! I’ll take them with me.

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  • 13. RL Julia  |  May 28, 2013 at 10:22 am

    @11 – question 4 thoughts

    I don’t think this is about “lower scoring students” per se since if anything it is HARDER to get into the Whitney Young AC these days than it was say two or three years ago. Currently, all students have to take a math placement exam – I imagine what happened was that WY was finding that a portion of their students who had tested into WYAC were not prepared to do algebra. This might be because in a regular, neighborhood school pre-algebra isn’t usually offered until 7th grade. If more kids applying and getting into WYAC are coming from neighborhood schools (or even some magnets) – it has nothing to do with intelligence as much as they simply haven’t been taught pre-algebra. Since the entrance exam is more of an IQ based test rather than a skills based test –this could happen.

    Also – I understand that once upon a time (but no longer) apparently classical school students (from Decatur, Poe etc..) were guaranteed spots at the ACs. If that was the case, WYAC would have been guaranteed kids who had been exposed to a pre-algebra curriculum in sixth grade. The lower the percentage of kids coming in from places that teach pre-algebra to 6th graders, the greater the need to teach it in 7th grade.

    Another things to consider would be that kids who go to WYAC are not used to failing or even getting C’s (and neither are their parents) in this new environment where tier 3 and 4 kids really can’t even contemplate a transfer to another SEHS without straight A’s, I am sure the school had a certain amount of parental pressure to place kids into math classes that were more appropriate to their actual math level/a higher grade was easier to achieve. Of course, this is theoretically a moot point since WYAC is quite up front about the AC being a SIX year program (not a two year program).

  • 14. LSmom  |  May 28, 2013 at 11:19 am

    For q3, isn’t there a 115 minimum for gifted programs?

  • 15. a mom  |  May 28, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Also q3 650 minimum for SEHS

  • 16. cpsmama  |  May 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    @RL Julia, it’s only harder for Tier 4 & maybe Tier 3 students to get in, but I’d venture a guess to say it’s easier for Tier 1 & 2 students to get in. WYAC is taking the same # of kids- who they are is what has shifted.

    There are too many Tier 4 6th graders with near perfect but not quite perfect scores who are not getting into ACs that similar scoring students have been accepted to pre-Tier system. Yet some Tier 1 & 2 students are getting in with more than 100 points less. If that’s not “lower scoring” what would you call it?

    @14 & 15- I don’t know if there is a minimum score for SEES or SEHS- hence the question

  • 17. Mayfair Dad  |  May 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    The tier system is fatally flawed because of its reliance on imprecise census tract data. Unless you use socioeconomic data specific to the household, somebody in some tier is getting screwed. As we witnessed in the recent underutilization fiasco, flawed formulas yield flawed results.

    I double dog dare ya to tell that to the CPS bloviators in attendance.

  • 18. cpsobsessed  |  May 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    As with pretty much any question that arises, I can fairly confidently state the CPS answer. Regarding Tiers, I would suspect the answer is that “that’s the best we’ve got.” Using individual household income would look at only income, which also isn’t perfect (ie, under-employed PhD household.) Plus there seems to be even more room for mis-reporting at the individual household level – not to mention the resources required to make that happen.

    I suppose I can see some sort of exemption or appeal process possibly. There are clearly apartment buildings nestled in Tier 3-4 neighborhoods with families who don’t have all the advantages of many others in the neighborhood.

  • 19. Mayfair Dad  |  May 28, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    @18: there should be a “tier exemption” process when a household’s socioeconomic status is not accurately portrayed by their address. It should be the burden of the household to apply for the exemption and provide documentation to CPS case workers under penalty of perjury laws. Granted, this would create more bureaucratic jobs to review the thousands of exemption applications – so a sort of job creation program?

  • 20. Gobemouche  |  May 28, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Not to discourage anyone from attending, but this event appears to have been set up specifically for those living west of Cicero between Irving and Montrose.

    There has been something of a brewhaha over here due to the revised tiers this year. Specifically, the fact that an area was downgraded to tier 3 from tier 4. Nobody can figure it out – check the tier map by portage park and you’ll see what I mean. This has caused quite a bit of arguing amongst neighbors and complaining to Cullerton. I’m guessing he’s just covering his ass on this one.

  • 21. JLM  |  May 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    I unfortunately can’t make it tomorrow, but would love to know if they would be willing to share the exact formula/algorithm that is used to determine the tiers.

    I’ve found a tier 3 neighborhood where avg. income is $43,125 (South of 59th St and just west of Racine) and a tier 1 where it is $42,516, and tier 2 where it is $50,016. I see tier 4s in the low $70s to $244K. The area around the U of I campus has an avg income of $102, 375, but is tier 3. I know that income is only one factor out of 5 or 6, but c’mon. If one family makes $50K doing plumbing and another has a college degree and makes $50K a year teaching, do the plumber’s kids really need a leg up?

    Would CPS consider setting a score above which a child, regardless of tier, would be guaranteed admission to one of their top 4 choices? Say 143 on the RGC exam, a combined 195 on Classical (so say, 98R/97M would get you there), etc.? (not sure what to put out there for the ACs and SEHSs, since my children are young). I think it’s awful that there are children scoring a 143 on the RGC exam and not getting an offer. Once they’ve filled the “guaranteed spots”, then they can do a split by tier for the remaining slots.

  • 22. RL Julia  |  May 28, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    @16 CPS Mama
    It has only gotten moderately harder for Tier 4 kids to get into WYAC the minimum score for acceptance for tier 4 was 840 for the 2011-12 school year was 846 for 2012-13 and 855 for this year. While tier 1 kids maximum scores did drop lower each year (2011 the tier 1 maximum score was 18 points lower than the rank minimum, this year it was 33). This widening gap can largely be attributed to a rising in the rank cut off score rising (18 points over the past three years). So it isn’t that the tier 1 kids are getting dumber – its’ that everyone else is testing better.

    What is apparent, I think, is that more kids (at least from tiers 2,3,4 appear to be applying to the WY (and others) AC -most likely in reaction to their being more widely known about and because people in tiers 3 and 4 were looking for an earlier “in” into an SEHS since the process has become more competitive.

    So why have tier 3 and 4 scores risen more dramatically over the past three years? It’s not because the kids in those household have become any smarter -it is because the parents in those household have freaked out, decided that since there is no “acceptable” safety (now that Lane Tech admission isn’t a given) that a test prep course which four or five years ago seemed ridiculous (unless your child was really terrible at taking tests) is now practically required. Additionally The whole roll out of the tier system which made SEHS/AC admissions information more easily accessible to a greater number household also coincided with a recession that meant that households that traditionally would have not thought about a public school option all of a sudden had great incentive to – and good information about how it might pan out for their individual children.

    In the end of it all, I don’t see this being a problem that WYAC has necessarily changed their admissions or dropped their standards much – as much of a problem that there are more tier 4 (and to only a slightly lesser extent tier 3) households that have chosen to compete earlier and that they have decided to throw more resources at the AC (as well as SEHS)admissions process. This is evidenced by the steady climb in those tier’s admissions scores. So are more kids in those tiers being denied admission? Yes. But are they somehow inherently smarter (and thus “more deserving”) than their tier 1 counterparts? No more so than they have ever been – they are merely better prepared.

  • 23. cpsmama  |  May 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    @RL Julia- I was referring to the years *prior to Tiers* and prior to the sharing of score cutoffs. My point is that based on current score cutoffs- many Tier 4 students who got into WYAC in the pre-Tier era would not get in today. And many Tier 4 kids cannot get in with the same score or even a higher score compared to an older sibling who got in before Tiers. Of course, a lot has changed since those days,including the fact that (wisely) attendance is no longer considered, and that the top score is now 900 rather than 1000.

  • 24. cpsobsessed  |  May 28, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    @Gobe – that may be the case about the meeting. I asked the same question of the person who told me about it (really, Akam’s Razor – obvious solution – of course that’s the main purpose.)
    However OAE has agreed to be there so with patience there could be the chance for questions. Plus for me it’ll be interesting to see how OAE responds as it really applies to the whole tier system.

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  • 25. local  |  May 28, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    “So why have tier 3 and 4 scores risen more dramatically over the past three years?” I just read about a recent study that showed that the higher SES kids are achieving more, while the lower SES are staying the same. It’s an arms race of the rich (and others with means/drive) to ensure advantage to their kids. Sorry, I don’t have the source. Maybe someone else saw it too? NYT? WSJ?

  • 26. WorkingMommyof2  |  May 28, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I have to say (and hate to say) that finally going through the process this year has shaken my support for the tier system a bit. In theory, I approve of giving some deserving kids from low-income areas a spot. But when your to-be-K kid gets shut out with a mid-140s score… Take a deep breath and remind myself that (hopefully) tiers still are the right thing to do. If it’s really helping underprivileged kids, that is. I wish there was a way to really know that.

    I guess I knew from reading here the last year or two that it was long odds to get a Tier 4 kid into the more in-demand RGC/Classicals, but coming so close was a real gut-check.

  • 27. Iheoma  |  May 28, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    @#11 I agree with #13’s explanation about WYAC’s decision to offer more than one type of math class to 7th graders. There were several kids who may have not had an opportunity to take “pre-algebra” in 6th grade – these could be very smart and well motivated kids who just have not had an opportunity to be exposed to the specific concepts and thinking skills needed to be success in an appropriately paced algebra class. Can we say “EVERYDAY MATH” (AKA GARBAGE). I think that it’s somewhat inaccurate to equate the fact that there are opportunities for kids to be successful in an honors paced math program with lower overall standards for admissions to the AC. Most ACs across the city encourage and/or require incoming 7th graders to complete an Algebra placement exam to determine their math skills. 5th grade math ISATs and AC admissions tests do not in any way give schools an understanding of students’ pre-algebra knowledge.

    Is it really true that there are absolutely no spaces for kids with very high scores at any ACs in the city or these comments on the number of available spaces at WYAC and LTAC?

  • 28. SoxSideIrish4  |  May 29, 2013 at 7:10 am

    27. Iheoma | May 28, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    True, unfortunately some schools don’t offer pre~algebra in 6th grade. It’s hard to get off track ‘r’, but not impossible. I doubt there is any space left at any SEHS.

    25. local | May 28, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Also it could be that the tier 3 & 4 scores have risen more bc there is a huge shift of privately educated students trying to get into WY (families who never would have dreamt attending a CPS school b4).

  • 29. Iheoma  |  May 29, 2013 at 8:04 am

    I’m not sure I understand your comment about “track r” SoxsideIrish4.

  • 30. SoxSideIrish4  |  May 29, 2013 at 8:27 am

    There’s 2 tracks at WY~track ‘r’ (regular) and track ‘h’ (honors). Once you are on track ‘r’, it’s hard to get on track ‘h’, but not impossible~the only way to get on track ‘h’ is to receive and maintain an A in the math class that is track ‘r’. In honor classes one can receive an A or B in the class to go onto other honor classes, but for a track ‘r’ to get into an honors class, only an A in the class will get them on track ‘h’.

  • 31. klm  |  May 29, 2013 at 8:33 am

    @7

    The percentages that you give for CPS enrollment in gifted programs seem really high. Are you using the schools’ enrollment without taking away the fact that most/many kids at Bell, Beaubien, Prtzker, Coonley, Skinner West, etc., are not in the SE gifted/classical programs at these schools?

    Edison, Decatur… have just one class per grade, same for the RGCs within “regular” schools. How can this ad up to 4% of CPS K-8 enrollment? (Are you also including SE HSs?) Also, given the crazy high scores needed to get into RGCs, I can’t help but think CPS isn’t just casually throwing lots of bright-but-not-really-gifted kids into these programs just to make upper/middle-class people satisfied enough not to move to Wilmette, despite what some people want to believe (not that you were saying this, but some people whine about this supposed coddling of little Hunters and Emmas by the powers that be at the expense of neighborhood CPS schools that educate ‘real’ Chicago kids).

    We all know of parents whose kids score in the top 1% but don’t get into a RGC, or Classical program (maybe b/c of being in the ‘wrong’ Tier, in some cases), either personally or from this site. 4% just seems way too high, given all this.

  • 32. klm  |  May 29, 2013 at 9:49 am

    @26

    I can understand your feelings. Social engineering can be easy to support, seem like the “right” thing, etc., but then you realize that letting a person in with a lower score means keeping another real, living “person” (NOT just a statistic, but an individual with hopes, aspirations, desire for a good education, etc.) out, despite having a higher (sometimes MUCH higher) score, grades, etc. Yes, somebody’s being helped which is nice, but at another person’s expense –hence the controversy and sometimes heated discussions. .

    It’s all the more difficult when it’s your own child being on the “hurt” side of the equation.

    The fact that it’s much easier for a Tier 1 student to get into Northside than a Tier 4 student to get into Lane Tech seems like a good example.

    What’s more, the person being “hurt” is not always privileged in any way. I know that I’ve mentioned this before, but my sometimes cleaning lady’s a refugee from Bosnia (barely escaped the deadly purges during the civil conflict of the 90s, arrived in the U.S. without speaking a word of English, virtually penniless, etc.). Lives in a modest apartment in Rogers Park (Tier 4), but no health insurance, no car, etc. Not the sort of person that pays for private tutors, can afford to move, pay private school tuition, etc. She worries about her kids being hurt for HS, because she’s somehow Tier 4 (too many families with 2 parents in her census tract that have mortgages instead of rent, I guess), her local HS has a reputation foe violence and educational mediocrity, etc. I’m sure that there are many, many such examples.

    There would be more broad support from people like me for the current system if the disparities in admissions standards weren’t so great for certain schools, the percentage of kids admitted strictly by scores/grades were higher, etc.

    I just wish that the people that 100% support the current system would admit that somebody gets hurt (not always or even usually a white, upper-middle class kid from the North Side) when somebody else gets helped, acknowledge this and then go about explaining how it’s maybe not perfect or always fair to individuals, but somehow is necessary in some collective sense to create an equitable system, given the socioeconomic reality of Chicago, etc.

    Instead, there’s often some diatribe about poor kids from the ghetto vs. white kids whose families can move to Glencoe to enroll at New Trier or pay for the British School if they don’t get into Northside (boo hoo –some ‘poor’ rich white kids don’t get into their first choice school because a few poor kids from the West Side are given a much-needed, life-changing opportunity with just 1 or 2 points less than kids from the Gold Coast). The reality is rarely (if ever) so “black and white” (pun not intended).

    Reducing individuals to a cultural and/or socioeconomic stereotype in order to give or not give educational opportunities does not always seem like the right thing to do, IMHO.

  • 33. RL Julia  |  May 29, 2013 at 10:00 am

    @23 – I’d love to see the criteria and scores for the pre-tier years – although I have a feeling I’d be appalled. I suspect there was a lot more pay to play type admissions. The fact is that there are more kids capable of succeeding in an AC type program than there are seats -ditto SEHS’s (and any test-in type school). The only real solution is to improve the overall educational offerings and expectations for the neighborhood school system overall – a daunting task for such a large school system.

    @26 – I feel for you. My son didn’t get into any test-in schools for kindergarten either (and he scored in the 98th percentile). We ended up at the neighborhood school and it was a great experience. I wish you the best of luck with Kindergarten. I am sure it will all work out.

    @27 – the tier 4 minimum score for admission to WYAC this year was 855. At Lane it was 834 and for Taft it was 799.9 which are the North side choices. Many people don’t consider Taft “acceptable” since Taft high school is not an SEHS but I can assure you that Taft’s AC program is awesome.

    Given those cutoffs – I don’t think that it is fair to say that there is “absolutely not space for (tier 4) kids with very high scores at any of the AC’s” Its more like there is no space at what is perceived to be the best of the AC’s or many people’s first choice (usually WYAC or LTAC as you pointed out).

  • 34. cpser  |  May 29, 2013 at 10:24 am

    @32 “What’s more, the person being “hurt” is not always privileged in any way”

    and the person being helped is not always underprivileged. A further illustration looking at the demographics of some tier 4 neighborhoods, what exactly is the difference between tier 3 and tier 4 (income or diversity wise)? Why should the same kid get in with lower scores?

  • 35. cpsmama  |  May 29, 2013 at 10:25 am

    @RLJulia-in the pre-Tier era & before OAE started to control admissions, WYAC took the top 110 scoring students regardless of Tier or race. This was considered OK b/c the rest of WYHS was extremely diverse. Back in those days (8-10 yrs ago), WYAC & WYHS were NOT attractive to most Tier 4 families from the north side b/c it was “too urban”, so no one cared. Appalling? Perhaps,but all WYAC students took Honors Algebra in 7th grade- & Honors Geometry in 8th grade because that’s all there was.

  • 36. HS Mom  |  May 29, 2013 at 10:36 am

    @35 – 7th graders in 2008, 2009 experienced a large number of “advanced” kids failing and required to attend summer school. Many WY kids did not get algebra or pre algebra in 6th grade. I believe this was the reason they shifted their program. This was my understanding from people attending at the time. If you’re from Whitney you probably have better more reliable experience.

  • 37. Christopher Ball (@skepticismwins)  |  May 29, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    @31 I took the figures from CPS FY13 Demographic Survey that breaks down race by elementary schools by type (regular, magnet, classical, RGC, etc). But I think you are right that the figure is too high. CPS says there are 1,816 classical students, but they are including all students at Skinner West, not just those enrolled in the gifted program. So the RGC figures are probably off too because of the overlap. It is beyond bizarre that CPS does not have data on the actual numbers enrolled in a gifted program and the number of applicants.

    Do any of the RGCs have more than one homeroom per grade?

    Scoring in the top 1% (of test-takers or of the potential score? Or a national percentile norm; since the K-4 and 5-8 system differ) may not mean that someone gets into a school, depending on which schools they chose to apply for and how many students take the test. I’d be surprised if someone in the top 1% of scorers could not get into any of the 17 SE K-5 if they listed all 17). For example, in the NYC specialized HS system, about 30,000 students take the exam (anyone can choose to sit) and last year ~ 5,400 offers were made by the 8 exam-only schools (of course some students received multiple officers), but there were 148,000 choices (a student who took the exam applying to a single school), so despite a potential 18% receiving an offer to a school (5,400 offers/30,000 exam takers), because of the mix of choices and offers, 6 of the 8 HS had offer rates of less than 4%.

  • 38. klm  |  May 29, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    @37

    When my kids applied to SE Classical and gifted schools, we were given up to 5 (yes, only 5) choices. People don’t apply to the CPS Gifted Program, then get assigned whatever school among many that has space..

    And yes, Tier 4 kids do get high scores on the gifted test (top 1% per CPS/IIT test place when we called the given number for ‘questions’ regarding the test for my kid last year–140+ is top 1%i The same kid takes enrichment classes at Northwestern’s CTD/Gifted Enrichment program. It happened to my family. If some other Tier 4 people are telling me the truth (you never really know) the same happened to their kids. Who really knows –people do tend to “top off” their kids’ scores, etc.
    I wish CPS would publish the “cut-off” score per Tier for RGCs and Classical schools like they do for SEHSs, so people would know where they stand. Maybe one day I’ll make a FOIA request and find out. .

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t believe that CPS’ ‘gifted’/SE schools are the only ones worth anything. A young woman around the corner from us went to our neighborhood CPS school, k-8 (then Payton) and she’s going to Yale next year, for example. Somehow she was successful without going to Edison or Decatur –like most CPS- educated kids who do well in life.

    I’m always saying this, but it’s true –I’ll be thrilled if my kids get into U of I or Wisconsin and do fine there. Same goes for K-12. Edison, Decatur, Payton and Northside are not the only schools, –but it’s cool when it happens. . .

  • 39. Cpskool  |  May 29, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    I can assure you all, there is no agenda to tonights meeting. Yes the census tracks in Portage Park changed, but when we discussed the meeting, it was to inform and give platform to concerned parents about Tiers in general, for better or worse. In fact, Alderman Cullerton did not even know what Tiers were. I have my own feelings about the whole system, as I am sure each of us do, but this meeting is for anyone wanting information or a chance to voice you opinion. Please come tonight and let your voices be heard!!

  • 40. cpsobsessed  |  May 29, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    I can’t figure out where the Auditorium is. Is it in the Portage Park field house?

  • 41. cpsobsessed  |  May 29, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    FYI, it is the Portage Park SCHOOL Auditorium. I shoulda figured that out…

    Portage Park Elementary
    5330 W Berteau Ave
    Chicago, Illinois 60641
    Phone: (773) 534-3576
    Fax: (773) 534-3558

  • 42. cpsmama  |  May 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    @cpsobsessed–its in the Portage Park School Auditorium -5330 Bertau per post # 8 above

  • 43. cpsobsessed  |  May 29, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Omg, Irving Park Rd, I curse you!

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  • 44. Gobemouche  |  May 30, 2013 at 8:37 am

    So…how’d it go?

  • 45. cpsobsessed  |  May 30, 2013 at 9:39 am

    See new post. 🙂

    It was interesting. I learn stuff every time and it’s nice to hear things straight from Katy.

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  • 46. CPS crazy  |  June 7, 2013 at 11:10 am

    i was completely embarassed by the turnout for this meeting

  • 47. cpsobsessed  |  June 7, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    In what way?

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  • 48. CPS crazy  |  June 10, 2013 at 10:57 am

    there was literally no one there….everyone bitches and complains about things, but no one wants to take time and go learn something new and share their opinions

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