IB Letters have left the building

January 14, 2013 at 11:28 pm 96 comments

IB program

Word is that IB high school letters have been mailed out. Post your news here.

The scoring rubric is up on the OAE site:

http://cpsmagnet.org/Scoring%20Rubric%20–%20IB%20High%20Schools%202013-2014.pdf

In a nutshell, there are 950 possible points.

-50 of those are for living in the neighborhood boundaries of a school.
-450 are for 7th grade ISATS (225 math+225 reading)
-450 are for 7th grade grades (112.5 each for reading, math, science, and social studies)  Getting 2 B’s will knock you back 75 points.

The informational meeting doesn’t count as points but is considered “mandatory” to be considered for a program.

Rumor is that the cutoff for Lincoln Park’s IB program is 830 this year.  Does anyone recall cutoffs from previous years?  I’m curious to see if they’ve gone up this year.

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  • 1. Chicago mom  |  January 14, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Last year ou needed at least 890 to be considered for LPIB

  • 2. Meher Owens  |  January 14, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    You mentioned 8 th grade grades but on the website it says consideration is based on 7 th grade final grades in core subjects ?!

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  • 3. cpsobsessed  |  January 14, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    I think I recall that as well. So does the letter mean the child is eligible or the child is IN?

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  • 4. cpsobsessed  |  January 14, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Oop, you’re right. 8th grade is still in progress!

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  • 5. Hopeful IB Mom  |  January 14, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Does anyone know what happens at the informational meeting? Lincoln Parks is three hours and Ogden’s is one hour.

  • 6. Second time around  |  January 15, 2013 at 12:02 am

    We got a letter for Taft’s meeting. I have a question though, we get the bonus 50 neighborhood points but are we then on a 950 pt scale while others are on a 900 point scale? In other words is there a real advantage for being in the neighborhood boundary? Also, can anyone give any insight into what the interview consists of?

  • 7. Cat  |  January 15, 2013 at 12:55 am

    The letter is an invitation to attend the information meeting.
    It states that “invitation to, and attendance at, a school’s information meeting does not guarantee that a student will receive an offer from that school. Selections will take place in February 2013 and notification letters will be mailed by February 22, 2013.”

    I, too, am curious about the difference in length of the information meetings at LP and Ogden.

    Regarding the point disparity for in-neighborhood, my understanding is that it is a preference…. Total points are added up and spaces filled top score downward. So if you’re in the boundary, a B wouldn’t kill your chances as much. 🙂

  • 8. Cat  |  January 15, 2013 at 1:49 am

    Are interviews part of the IB process this year? I spent a while combing through OAE website, and it does not mention them. Have they moved to strictly score-based (+info meeting)?

    Regarding the “cutoff” scores… The application process doc says “Each school selects a minimum cutoff score for selections and applicants meeting or exceeding this score will receive an offer. ”
    Do they maybe set a cutoff number – like the 830 – for who gets invited to the info meeting? Then based on who attends, the offers are sent?
    That would account for the disparity in numbers mentioned above, 830 this year vs 890 last year; especially with the 50 point preference for in-neighborhood, I’d be very surprised to see the lowest score getting an offer be as low as that.

  • 9. EdgewaterMom  |  January 15, 2013 at 6:35 am

    Wouldn’t 2 Bs only set you back 74 points? You are awarded 112.5 points for an A and 75 for a B.

    Does anybody know if they will publish the minimum scores for each program after selections are made?

  • 10. anotherchicagoparent  |  January 15, 2013 at 7:57 am

    In the “past” at Lincoln Park’s IB meetings, after a lecture in the auditorium you would leave with a high school student and tour the school sit in the class rooms and teachers would discuss curriculum. I am not sure if this is the case or not this this time.I will see this year.

    No interviews this year.

    These letters do not guarantee admission. The cutoff scores might go higher after these meetings, if they do stay the same could mean last year not enough people from that 890 point bracket went to Lincoln Park IB. Most with those scores will get into a SE school and majority still choose selective enrollment over IB.
    Oh I have seen students not get an acceptance to IB just for not showing up to these meetings so take that part seriously.

    cpsobsessed cutoff scores are fairly new for Lincoln Park IB last yr first time? They used to judge on a separate high school level test,essay based on a reading,interview and informational meeting.

  • 11. Vanessa  |  January 15, 2013 at 7:59 am

    My son received his letter Saturday. All 3 schools he applied to, accepted him. Problem is, the date for TAFT’s informational meeting is incorrect. They have it for October 10, 2012! Therefore, I need to call them.

  • 12. anotherchicagoparent  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Mistakes already! Yes call them as Taft’s is next week

  • 13. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Is the child’s score included in the letter? And does it indicate where they get the 50 bonus points?

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  • 14. anotherchicagoparent  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:21 am

    No the child’s score is not included It might be when the final acceptance letters go out.

  • 15. Second time around  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Thanks Cat. If you read the info on the scoring rubric, it almost leads you to wonder if its a 900 point scale and a 950 point scale, which then would have no benefit for being in neighborhood. So out of boundary kids really need great scores to compete for the spots with the neighborhood kids.

  • 16. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:32 am

    I had the same question too about the 900 vs 950 based on the rubric wording. But based on all I’ve heard up til now, the 50 neighborhood points truly give those kids an advantage and it is purely score-based for admission with 950 as the max.

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  • 17. anotherchicagoparent  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:38 am

    So students scoring 890 last year did near perfect job but 950 was the mark to hit.Oh CPS..

  • 18. LSmom  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Last year, the LPIB information night included spending 20 minutes with a teacher in each subject. My son, who was mixed on LPIB, went in unsure he’d want to go there, and left the evening incredibly impressed with the teachers and thinking it would be great to go there. He did get accepted, but ended up choosing Payton. It was a close call, and he would have been happy at LPIB.

  • 19. Cat  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:29 am

    I wouldn’t say “890 is near perfect, but 950 is the mark to hit,” since the 50 points have to do with location, not grades/scores. 890 is simply near perfect! 🙂
    The 50 points I think are similar to the SEHS tiers, but more straightforward and a little less crazy-making to me.
    And also like the proximity lottery for elementary.

    I’ll be interested to see what the final scores are, once everyone has accepted spots.

    Re: letters, with the rubric available, you can tell what your points are, and you can check the school boundaries to see if you’re in-neighborhood, so the invitation letter doesn’t really need to articulate that.
    Without the interview, it is just performance-based.

    Another question– if more than one IB school is listed on the application and subsequent invite, can you get accepted to both, ie., do the IB schools accept independent of each other, or is it like SEHS?
    If it’s like SEHS, not attending the meeting could be a way of altering preference of which IB you want, by taking one out of the running.

  • 20. Second time around  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:35 am

    for people who got a letter for Tafts informational meeting, is it next Wed? Ours is next Wednesday night but some people have letters that have a meeting during the school day????

  • 21. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Omg, Taft’s meeting is next week and the letter says october. I feel bad for parents who procrastinate about calling to get the real date, which is probably what I’d do…

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  • 22. HSObsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:52 am

    @19, I’m pretty sure that the IB schools all make their offers separately, so a kid could get offers from more than one school. That used to be the case for SEHS, before they went to the system where each kid ranks their preferences. I believe starting next year, CPS will try to have a unified application system in which parents/kids rank all their choices, including SEHS, IB programs, STEM, etc. in one application, and then they’re given just one offer, to the program they ranked highest that accepted them. So, current 7th graders’ parents: Get ready for some additional CPS craziness!

    My kid would have a 945 score for the LPIB program since we’re in boundary, but she didn’t apply to it. We’re likely going in to the regular AP/HH-program-morphed-into-IB-lite instead, depending on what offer she receives from SEHS. It’s kind of nice that IB applicants know their entire score already now. For SEHS, the SEHS entrance exam remains the great unknown part of the equation, until the day you get the offer letter.

  • 23. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Does the letter include the rubric? I’m just trying to figure out how parents who don’t read blogs assess their kid’s chances at each school and/or prioritize which to attend. Or maybe they don’t obsess about it and they lead normal, happy lives. 🙂

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  • 24. HSObsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:55 am

    @23 – You lost me at “..parents who don’t read blogs ..” 🙂

  • 25. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:56 am

    @HSO: wow, impressive score there. 🙂
    Did she apply to any IBs? So if not, then she didn’t get offers for the meetings, right?
    Also, why did you decide to pass on the IB programs?

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  • 26. anotherchicagoparent  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:58 am

    My letter states Wednesday evening.Early evening.One reason CPS went to an online application is so parent mistakes would be minimized. This makes me laugh so hard.
    Nope no rubric on letter.Just says based on 7th grade final test scores and grades

  • 27. Second time around  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:58 am

    No rubric was sent and actually no mention of a scoring rubric at all. The letter just said that based on your child’s score they were eligible to attend the informational meeting.

  • 28. Second time around  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Thanks “anotherchicagoparent” for the info. I told my friend to call just to verify the time as mine is late afternoon/early evening as well.

  • 29. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Does the letter state the importance of attending the meeting, like the rubric page does?

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  • 30. HSObsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:03 am

    @25 – No applications to IBs. We heard details about the program at the LPHS open house. I felt that the general IB concept of deep learning and integration across subjects was great, but the weird pride they have in how much work it entails outside of school hours was a huge turnoff, and — no surprise here — my kid agreed. I’m a big believer in balance in daily life, with plenty of time to pursue one’s own interests, and we didn’t think she’d have that in the IB program.

  • 31. AC Dad  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:08 am

    If your child received a letter from Taft IB stating meeting of October 2012, and you already attended that meeting, your child is in. Those letters apply for the current 8th grade Taft AC students who have already been accepted. No additional meeting is required.

  • […] IB Letters have left the building cpsobsessed: Word is that IB high school letters have been mailed out. Post your news here. The scoring rubric is up on the OAE site. The informational meeting doesn’t count as points but is considered “mandatory” to be considered for a program. Rumor is that the cutoff for Lincoln Park’s IB program is 830 this year. […]

  • 33. Cat  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:12 am

    The letter says (in bold print!) “If your child does not attend the information meeting, he/she is in eligible to receive an offer from that school.”

  • 34. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:24 am

    @Edgewater mom, you are correct about the 2 Bs! I was going off a sample calculation on the rubric form that states that 2As and 2Bs are worth 325 and I think it should be 375. I sent them a note so someone can check that.

  • 35. Cat  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:30 am

    @34 …I guess we could speculate about the math score the author should get! 😉

  • 36. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Haha, looks like they’ll be at their neighborhood school!

    Why can’t each neighborhood school have a score-based program like this that DOESN’T require the excessive amount of work that the IBs do? It seems like the simple solution to helping parents feel more comfortable that kids will be challenged in their local HS, but I feel the way HSO does. School-life balance.

  • 37. Second time around  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I would like to actually talk to a parent of an IB student. I feel that sometimes these schools “over-inflate” the work load. I can tell you as a Lane Alpha students mother that the Alpha load was completely over-inflated. I love the IB philosphy and my daughter has thrived since switching to an IB elementary school..which is why I am even now looking at Taft IB as a good option, but I too do not want her life to have no balance. I would not want the IB program to not allow her the freedom that she currently has to pursue interests outside of the school setting.

  • 38. RL Julia  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:41 am

    I am not sure I would look to the SEHS’s for school/life balance.

  • 39. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:44 am

    The impression the teachers at Senn gave me is that it depends on the kid and how efficiently they work. I think we’ve discussed that here too. If you check facebook and text your friends throughout the night, then one hour of work can take 3 hours.
    Sort of like how my son takes 1.5 hours to do 3 math problems. Rolling on the floor complaining is a big time suck.

  • 40. Paul  |  January 15, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Thinking back to my high school days, each kid struck their own balance by choosing which courses to sign up for. On one extreme, the academic-types signed up for the more rigorous courses (e.g. Advanced Placement); on the other extreme, the slacker-types signed up for the easier courses, and most kids were somewhere in-between. I can see the IB program being attractive to the most motivated academic-type kids.

    The perception amongst many parents in CPS, however, is that there isn’t much in-between. Your kid either makes it into these rigorous IB-type programs or your kid is in the pool with low-scoring slacker types. There needs to be more of a middle way, and flexibility for students to go in-between. I remember being motivated to sign up for the more rigorous courses one year and then signing up for easier courses the next year. I wasn’t labeled as failing, and I didn’t lose my chance at signing up for rigorous courses again in the future.

  • 41. HSObsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 11:19 am

    I think that LPHS is set up so a kid can do exactly what Paul is describing: Pick and choose. It was always that way before, with five levels of courses: regular, honors, double honors, AP and IB. Those were levels for most courses, not “tracks” that the kids were on, with the exception of the old IB program. Kids could choose/get placed into the levels that were appropriate for them in each individual subject, depending on interests and strengths. I expect that will continue at LPHS even under the new somewhat-all-IB-kinda-sorta scheme they’re rolling out now.

  • 42. HS Mom  |  January 15, 2013 at 11:20 am

    @39 – CPSO – you are so totally not alone on this. And yes, eliminating the mental anguish would make a big difference.

    My understanding is that IB does have middle ground with diploma for the academic-types or the ability to just enrich the standard program with IB classes. From talking to colleges, I know that they consider IB classes a plus as they offer critical thinking and writing skills.

  • 43. cpsobsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Lake view also has a pretty good variety of AP classes and if they really enforce this year that kids from outside the neighborhood need to be stanine 7? and higher I’d expect that might expand.

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  • 44. HSObsessed  |  January 15, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Not sure if anyone posted this article before. It made me chuckle. A lady whose 8th grader is not even accepted into the LPIB program yet is worried that it will now be watered down and not challenging enough for her son, once he’s a junior or senior. Kinda reads like a CPSOnion article.

    http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130103/lincoln-park/wall-to-wall-ib-at-lincoln-park-high-confusing-some-parents

  • 45. Paul  |  January 15, 2013 at 11:58 am

    @41 HSObsessed, that sounds good. I’m not sure why it’s marketed as a track or a program. It seems to me that the high schools should be marketed as providing a range of courses designed to meet the needs of all students. The IB diploma and certificate are awards and recognition for students that sign up for and complete the most rigorous of all the courses.

    At my high school, I remember National Honors Society awards and other recognition for students that did really well. In some cases there were prerequisites or approval needed from a counselor/teacher to sign up for certain courses, but there wasn’t a point system for admission. If you wanted to take the advanced course you could, unless they thought you couldn’t successfully complete it, in which case you had to take the lower level course and do a good job. Then, the next year you could sign up for the higher level course.

    Maybe the wall-to-wall IB idea would work that way. A student whose points were below the cutoff for admission to the IB program could nonetheless attend LPHS and get on that IB diploma track by doing well in the lower-level courses first. Or, they take some of those more rigorous courses and some of the lower level courses and still go off and do well in college somewhere.

  • 46. 87reason  |  January 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    46 spoke to a curernt taft AC teacher this weekend about next year Taft being all IB for all attendance students. I asked what will happen with the kids who are not successful in such a rigorous program. They have no idea or plan for that yet.

  • 47. west rogers park mom  |  January 15, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    We haven’t received ANY IB letters yet (our mail is notoriously slow). Can anyone post cut off scores for Taft, Senn, and Amundson IB?

    My child is currently at Taft AC so know that at least one should be coming our way !

  • 48. SoxSideIrish4  |  January 15, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    #47~@WRPM~Would you leave Taft after being their for AC?

  • 49. Mitch  |  January 15, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Does anyone know how long this meeting is? Our letter says 5:45pm to 8:45 AM. which obviously should be p.m.

  • 50. Todd Pytel  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    re: IB work load

    I can’t speak for schools other than Senn, but I also suspect that there’s a lot of inflated self-reporting going on. The idea of a high-school student doing 6 hours of focused homework day in day out is absurd. Typically, my seniors (in a standard level course) have about 30 minutes of solid work per night from me. A higher level course (of which students are usually limited to 3) might be a bit more. Overall, seniors would likely have about 3 hours of work daily if they work efficiently. That is a big “if” these days, as CPSO noted. Back when I took a slate of AP courses as a HS senior, I shut myself in my room for 3 hours every night and actually worked the whole time. We didn’t have ubiquitous computers, much less cell phones, back then.

    I suspect another issue involved here is long-term projects. IB *does* have a lot of those, especially in the Diploma Programme when students are completing Internal Assessments. Many of those projects require minor – but consistent – investments of study time over a long time period in order to give students the opportunity to reflect on their work, discuss issues in class, meet with advisors, etc. As I tell my seniors, their math project (the official IA for the course) requires “few hours, but many weeks”. Students who lack the discipline to keep up on those projects will find themselves working many hours at the last minute, probably for relatively poor results. I think a lot of the reports of students staying up all night working are in exactly that situation.

  • 51. Danaidh  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Re: 46

    Taft administration is planning to phase-in IB Wall-to-Wall with grades 7 and 9 next year. Academic Center courses are already “rigorous” and will change very little. MYP has no prescribed syllabi (unlike the Diploma Program courses). Academic Center is already selective enrollment, and the majority of 8th grade graduates choose to continue high school studies elsewhere.

    DP is unaffected by WTWIB.

    Academic Center and DP each have less than 200 students. That leaves more than 2,600 general high school students, more than 400 of whom have IEPs for special education services.

    Those students must complete CPS graduation requirements in order to graduate.

    They will have the opportunity to complete the capstone projejct required of MYP students, but since it isn’t a graduation requirement, (many? most?) students may choose not to participate.

    The same thing goes for IB’s CAS (Creativity, Activity, Service).
    IB wants students to complete 150 hours, but as long as students complete the 40-hour CPS graduation requirement for service learning, they will still earn their diplomas.

    WTWIB students will have the opportunity to take the “rigorous” DP courses (with their many hours of daily homework)–in classes separate from the cohort of SE DP students–but they don’t have to do so.

    So no need to worry about the majority of students who “are not successful in such a rigorous program.” They’ll be just fine and will still be graduated with a CPS diploma.

  • 52. Taft IB Mom  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Not sure about the other IB High Schools but at Taft there are multiple IB meetings scheduled – they will not all be held on the same day/time. So, it is OK that some of you have one day/time on your letter from Taft and another family is invited to a session on a different day/time. The families of students in the Taft Academic Center I believe do not have to go to another session and that is why their day/time reflects the date of the Taft Fall Open House in October of 2012. It is mandatory for you to go to the session that you are invited to – changing your day/time I do not believe is possible.

    In light of Taft becoming a Wall to Wall IB Program all of you that are interested in finding out more are invited to come to the Taft PTSA meeting on Wed. January 16th at 7 pm and hear about what is planned for Taft in the coming years. Everything is not finalized yet but, what is known at this point will be shared.

    There will be parents of current and former IB students at the meeting for those of you that are looking to talk to Taft IB parents.

    The meeting will be held on Wednesday, January 16 at 7pm in the Taft APR room – opposite the library. If you are planning to come to this meeting we suggest you park on the NORTH side of the building and enter the building via the entrance at 6545 W. Hurlbut.

  • 53. Taft IB Mom  |  January 15, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    RE: 51
    I agree – the concerns about WTWIB for students that do not choose the Diploma Track (at least at Taft) are unfounded, based on what we have heard the program will be phased in and everyone will be fine.

  • 54. 38random2  |  January 15, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    48 MOST taft ac students leave for greener pastures….SEHS or private. It will be interesting to see if more stay for IB HS.

  • 55. cpsobsessed  |  January 16, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Note back from OAE about the rubric error. They are always very nice there. If you have any other questions, let me know and I can ask them.

    Thank you for calling this to our attention; the rubric has been modified and re-posted.

    We are also aware that there have been questions on your website from parents who received IB meeting invitation letters to Taft with an October meeting date. Please note that the October date was not an error. Students enrolled in the Academic Center programs at Taft are required to attend an information meeting if they are interested in those schools’ IB programs. The information meeting Taft has already been held; parents and students attended these meetings in October. We included the October date on the letter to ensure that parents have a written record of their child’s invitation to the information meeting, which is a requirement for the IB selection process.

  • 56. South Side Renaissance  |  January 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Does anyone have additional information on the Southside IB programs besides Morgan Park?

  • 57. west rogers park mom  |  January 16, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    @48 – When my kid started at Taft, high school there wasn’t much of an option because of the reputation. But we have been pleasantly surprised and now it definitely is; my kid likes familiarity and Taft understands and provides for the kids that already have the high school credits. I’ve found that in other schools its not so easy to have them transfer. She is still going to try for schools closer to home (or at least more easily accessible with public transportation) but we would be completely OK with her staying at Taft.

    @Taft IB mom or anyone else who attends the information session tonight- please post a summary. My child informs me that Taft is starting a performing arts program (as part of an IB cohort?) and was excited about it.

  • 58. 8th grade parent  |  January 16, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Yikes! We have a major conflict on the eve of the LPIB meeting. Does anyone know if there is there a date other Feb 4?

  • 59. klm  |  January 17, 2013 at 11:14 am

    OK, I know people have posted above, but I’m still not sure:

    If a kid’s zoned HS is LPHS, does he/she get an extra 50 points automatically, even there?

    If so, is it on a 900 or 950 pt scale –e.g., 825+50=875/900 (97.2% instead of 91.7%) or is it 825+50=875/950 (92.1%, in which case, is the 950 score scaled back to 900 for purposes of admission, since non-LPHS kids would still be on a 900-point scale –this would mean it’s virtually worthless to live in a HS-attendance zoned area, since the boost/advantage would be so small [92.1 vs. 91.7%])?

    For what it’s worth, I’ve met quite a few people whose kid(s) have gone the LPHS IB route (sometimes even in lieu of admission offers at top private schools like Latin or SICP) and have heard really good things from them and know that the kids in question have gone on to do great things after getting into and doing well at some very ‘good’ (admissions-difficulty-wise) colleges (Brown, USC, Columbia, Oberlin, Cornell, Swarthmore…..).

  • 60. cpsobsessed  |  January 17, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    FYI:
    Amundsen’s 1st IB Information Session is Saturday, January 19, 2012 (10-11am). All Friends of Amundsen, community members and invited 8th graders are welcome. It’s a great opportunity for you to learn more about the Amundsen IB Program. Additional Amundsen IB Information Sessions are posted on the calendar of the Amundsen website.

    I saw a parent I know post that 1500 applied and 1100 were invited to the info session. They will accept 90 kids.

  • 61. cpsobsessed  |  January 17, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    So I assume most kids apply to multiple IB programs and then tour them to see which they’d prefer, then they wait for their offers? So the top kids get multiple offers then each school works down its own list?

  • 62. HSObsessed  |  January 17, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    @59 klm – I just spent way too much time on your questions, and I see what you’re saying. To answer your first question, yes, the 50 points is added to the score of any kid applying who lives within boundary. As to your second, the CPS scoring rubric’s explanation of how in-district scores are calculated (linked above) indeed should not say that it’s out of a total of 950, but that it’s still calculated to be out of a total of 900 points. Because otherwise, if you’re adding 50 to the kid’s earned score, but adding 50 to the kid’s denominator as well, then it pretty much cancels itself out and isn’t a bonus!

    But why do they even have to convert to percentages, anyway? What is gained with that step? Just add up the points and leave it at that. KISS.

  • 63. cpsobsessed  |  January 17, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    From OAE today:
    “All students are considered in the same pool, with the exception of students who are currently enrolled in partner MYP schools or Academic Centers; these students are automatically accepted as long as they have met the minimum requirements for standardized test scores and grade point average, and have attended an information meeting.”

    So a student outside the boundaries is competing against the kids who live within the boundaries. A child from outside who scores an 890 is ranked below an in-boundary child who scores an 850+50=900. The 50 points are an actual bonus to your score.

  • 64. local  |  January 17, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    There seems to be so much movement and activity in high schools on the north side now but crickets on the west and south side. Is it a dead market or just that’s there’s no news here?

  • 65. IB&AC Mom (formerly IB&RGC)  |  January 18, 2013 at 2:47 am

    Taft IB Mom, I unfortunately didn’t see your post until today. Are there any other meetings scheduled? My daughter is at the AC and I found it to be a great program. She will likely stay at Taft, but I would love to here any opinions of the IB program there.

  • 66. HSObsessed  |  January 18, 2013 at 9:09 am

    @64, if you mean about IB programs specifically, in December the city also announced a brand new Back of the Yards IB HS (southwest), new IB at Clemente (west) and a new wall-to-wall IB at Hyde Park (south).

  • 67. IB teacher  |  January 18, 2013 at 9:58 am

    @64 and 66, Farragut, Bronzeville, Juarez, and Kennedy are also now starting the IB application process

  • 68. MayfairAM  |  January 19, 2013 at 6:37 am

    #58 Yes, there is a informational meeting on 1/25 for LPIB. Right now we are scheduled to go to that session, but my son is testing the next day, so I was going to see if I could switch to 2/4.

  • 69. Avondale Mom  |  January 22, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Re: Taft IB – I posted this on FB but I’ll post here too. We attended the W2WIB mtg last week and here’s what we learned: Traditional IB Diploma remains the same. MYP will roll out for incoming 7th graders next year, (and 9th graders), so by soph year, students decide their route. Each W2WIB school decides how best to incorporate MYP to their school. Taft to incorporate the IB teaching style to their present curriculum for incoming 7th graders (the experimenting, critical thinking, writing, applying to the world, etc). For high schoolers, this is also a nice option as there may be students who for example, excel in science, but struggle in English. They can choose to take an IB science course, while still taking the regular English. This also gives students potential to earn college credit for any IB course they take and pass. Students not in all-IB-Diploma track may choose to continue in AVID, rotc, or the IB-Career certificate, etc. Basically, “wall-to-wall IB” means more options for students in their high school years. Also, since staff adopts/trains for IB philosophy into their present curric, hopes are that students will be prepared for college, i.e. writing a proper research paper, etc. I think it could really work, could possibly raise the bar for Taft in years to come.

    If LPHS has sent out their acceptance letters already, and if my kid didn’t get accepted, we’re sure not going to that 3-hr mtg on 2/7, unless there’s a misunderstand with which letters went out. As for Taft IB, their mandatory info mtg was in Oct. so anyone who attended it fulfilled their requirement.

    Any future Taft IB-related meetings are informative for parents and serve to answer all the logistical questions relating to how this is going to play out.

  • 70. anotherchicagoparent  |  January 22, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Avondale mom acceptance letters have not been mailed out yet.What was mailed out was a letter to students who qualified for the next step in the application process,the info meetings.Those who do not show up for a meeting will have their IB applications(at individual schools) cancelled.Acceptance letters will be mailed out week of February 18th.

  • 71. Amundsen IB mom  |  January 22, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    RE: IB workload. Just from my own experience as a parent of a IB freshman at Amundsen I can tell you I was surprised at the start of the school year that she was not drowning in homework. What she has is manageable, despite her complaints, but I agree that time management is very important. She would be up late if she didn’t parse out the assignments well enough. However, from what her friends tell her, and what you all probably know too, is that the program gets far more rigorous starting in junior year (which is the point some kids leave IB and concentrate on AP classes instead). For now, though, she is able to handle her before- and after-school sports schedule (she played volleyball in fall; now softball training has started) and get her work done without losing her mind. 😉

  • 72. Second time around  |  January 23, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Went to Taft’s informational meeting tonight and the handout we got said over 2500 kids applied for Taft IB. Wow! They said after the informational meetings they will set a cut off score and everyone above that score will receive an offer. I would have to think that with the amount of applicants that the cut off score could be set high enough to cut out anyone outside of the attendance area because of the 50 bonus points?? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  • 73. Peggy Cushing  |  January 24, 2013 at 10:01 am

    does anyone have opinions on which is better Lincoln Park IB or Lane Tech alpha? My kid will probably get into both based on his scores so far.

  • 74. 8th grade mom  |  January 24, 2013 at 10:35 am

    anyone have any opinions on which is better-Lincoln Park IB or Lane Tech Alpha?

  • 75. AC IB mom  |  January 24, 2013 at 11:02 am

    @72, I would assume though that Taft will be much more likely to have a second round then the SE schools since so many people look to it as a back up. Did they say how many spots they offer for IB Diploma program?

  • 76. anon  |  January 24, 2013 at 11:15 am

    As the admisssions director asked my son at Lane Tech a few years ago: Do you love Science Fair? When he answered no, she said Alpha was not for him.

    I don’t think you can possibly get a better education than at LPIB but the student must be really scholarly and focused. Not my kids.

  • 77. AC IB mom  |  January 24, 2013 at 11:42 am

    I have know a bit about Lincoln Park IB, but I don’t know much about Lane Tech Alpha. What I know about Lincoln Park IB is that the average ACT score is very high for CPS and they do a great job preparing kids for college. That said I have also heard that they have one of the biggest work loads accordingly. I do know kids who have pulled all nighters (much like for NS and a few other schools).

    Here is something I have read in the past that is an older study of CPS’s academically advanced high schools and the road to college and mentions LP IB a great deal…

    http://ccsrdev.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Making%20Hard%20Work%20Pay%20Off.pdf

  • 78. second time around  |  January 24, 2013 at 11:52 am

    If you do not like science fair do not do it. Also, you lose lots of teaching time in English and Math as well. My son has an Algebra 2/Trig credit and never did a day of Trig….which could be a problem when college comes. They also do not do cohorts anymore to keep the alpha kids in a closer group. The program has become too big. Even principal discretion kids got alpha offers last year. If you are looking to have a smaller program within a big school, alpha won;t do that anymore.

  • 79. anotherchicagoparent  |  January 24, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Thanks 78 ..sorry to hear that.the cohort part is gone, that is the only reason alpha seemed so appealing to us due to the sheer size of Lane Tech.This coming from a LT alum. The overemphasis on science fair to us was a big turn off.

  • 80. Parent  |  January 24, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Done quite a bit of research. For serious students, any of the well established IB Programs will better prepare students for college than LT. LP’s version is particularly rigorous, but all the established programs are up to international standards and will translate into greater success in college. LT is much more a ‘social’ choice than it is an ‘academic’ one..and even then your kid has to be the right social fit.

  • 81. second time around  |  January 24, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    @79 He dropped down to honors this year and has been very happy. He has never been a fan of science fair, but it was the cohort setting that appealed to me. Imagine my shock after hearing at the info meeting all about the bonus of the cohort setting to find out in Sept that it was no longer! He loves Lane and all it has to offer, but I am very intrigued by the Taft IB. We never really gave it much of a look with him but I think it is a very good option!

  • 82. 8th grade mom  |  January 24, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    the other option to think about it LT double honors, I get the sense that those kids are in a cohort, right? LP IB did seem academically rigorous and I did wonder about the amount of homework. But it seemed very integrated and the teachers were very impressive in their presentations, they kept mentioning “treating the whole student” and the learning seemed very holistic and integrated to me. I didn’t get that sense at Lane… but we were all just moving around at Lane like a bunch of cattle, no time to actually listen to a teacher talk or get a sense of what the programming was like.

  • 83. IB&AC Mom (formerly IB&RGC)  |  January 25, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    @80, What kind of research? I know that LPIB is top of the top, but how about Taft? I have also heard that kids in Lane Honors and AP classes do very well, but have no idea how to compare. I am happy we have a guaranteed admission to Taft’s IB program (she is in the AC there now), but think she would be likely to go to Lane in the off chance she gets in. I would love any additional information. I like the atmosphere at Lane and the fact that she will have more class choices to pick from then if she stays at Taft. But what I do like about Taft IB is that the diploma program will still be a smaller subset of kids (I believe), she knows here why around the school, she will have friends that are staying (though between her grade school and Taft she will know a decent number of kids at Lane too), and she is likely to graduate with a decent ranking in such a big school, but still I feel like she will be happier at Lane. Any insight would be appreciated.

  • 84. anon  |  January 25, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    @ 80 ” LT is much more a ‘social’ choice than it is an ‘academic’ one..and even then your kid has to be the right social fit.”

    This is absurd. LT has a lot of kids and there is a niche for everyone. I agree that there is no program better academically than LP IB for a very serious student and probably even makes college unnecessary but for the degree, but believe me, an academically inclined student at Lane will have a lot to choose from.

  • 85. anonymous  |  January 26, 2013 at 9:02 am

    @80 I, too, would be interested in the specifcs of your research.

  • 86. Second time around  |  January 27, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    I also disagree with #80. There is a place for everyone at Lane. That is one of the benefits of the size!

    For those that are looking to compare schools please go to lane’s website as their graduation requirements have changed this year. Much less room for electives and the specific classes that some would pick Lane for. We were very surprised to see the changes. Not all are bad but certain elective classes no longer exist. Honestly the grad requirements fall almost in line with the course requirements in the alpha/honors track.

  • 87. IB&AC Mom (formerly IB&RGC)  |  January 27, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    @86 Are there specific classes that are gone that you are aware of? Just curious. Also do you know if the requirements are in line with other schools or are they more strict about what has to be taken. I am not too worried about it since my daughter is at an AC and is coming in with credits, but I am still curious.

  • 88. another CPS mom  |  January 27, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Where can I find the high school graduation requirements for CPS? Do they differ among high schools in CPS? Is there one set? What should a student aim for if that student is college-bound? Would exceed the general CPS graduation requirements?

  • 89. cpsemployee  |  January 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    @ 88 These are the minimum requirements but if you are in a special program (IB, double honors, etc) there will be additional ones

    http://www.cps.edu/…/PromotionPolicy/HSGraduationReq_English.pdf

  • 90. Lane mom  |  January 28, 2013 at 12:24 am

    I am curious to know what research #80 has done. The thing about number crunching with Lane is that you have to consider the sheer size of the school. LT takes so many more kids than other SE or IB high schools – you have to consider that when making the comparison. The numbers you see will have probably included AP and honors kids with those who prefer to stay in a “regular” track. This is why I think LT doesn’t get the credit it should. It has an excellent graduation rate and college acceptance/admittance rate despite having a large percentage of kids living below the poverty line. They do an impressive job giving all students a quality education.

  • 91. west rogers park mom  |  January 28, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    I just wanted to say how impressed I am with the staff working on IB programs at OAE. We never got our letter because of an address snafu so I had to call and have a copy of it emailed to me. Last weekend I received an email from OAE saying the original letter was returned, followed up by a phone call this morning.

    Now if we can just get to those info session . . .

  • 92. AC IB mom  |  January 28, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    KLM and others who know a good deal about college admission, there is a question on the SE High School thread @270 that I am hoping you can shed some light on. If you have a chance pop over. 🙂 Thanks!!

  • 93. mom2  |  January 28, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    If your child doesn’t love science fair, don’t discount Lane. While I agree that LPIB is great for the really dedicated student, you can select Lane without the Alpha program and take all honors and AP courses with tons of options. Take a look at what Lane offers before excluding it. I think they do a poor job of communicating “Alpha” when you first get an offer. They are just offering that as an option to people that want their child to travel in a group, but it is really science based (which is getting even better at Lane with the new aquaponics lab and STEM wing).

    Oh, and even if your child isn’t “traveling in a group”, the kids that take honors and AP classes do tend to see each other every day and every year. The same kids sort of stick together that way, so you end up with a school within a school anyway. The only exception is all the athletics, clubs and music programs that mix everyone. We love it.

  • 94. sandra  |  January 28, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    I received the letter from Lincoln Park for the IB meeting about a week ago but I lost it. I have the letter from cps notifying me that I have been invited to both Taft and Lincoln Park’s meeting. Is it mandatory for me to take the letter which I have lost to Lincoln Park or is it okay if I take the one I have?

  • 95. CPS Mum of Three  |  January 31, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    We attended the LPIB meeting and were not asked for the letter. In fact, the packet of materials we were given at the door on the way in had my son’s name on them which was very nice.

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