Principal Selection

May 27, 2012 at 5:44 pm 399 comments

Thanks to a reader who suggested posting about the current principal selections.  If you have any scoop or updates, please post it here.
It was suggested that some of the candidates are interviewing at multiple schools, which could make things interesting.

Lane Tech High School selected the current AP (a former Lane student and teacher!) to take over the principal-ship.  It’s unclear whether the seriously considered other candidates for the search.  I’m also curious to see if any schools DON’T hire an AP for the principal spots.

Amundsen High School (at Foster and Damen) is considering the current AP (who founded the IB program there) along with 2 other candidates.  There will be a public forum on Tuesday June 5th at 6pm.

Burley and Jahn are also searching according to this article.

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  • 1. Shelly1963  |  May 27, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Having just spent the last four months working to get on the CPS eligibility list; I can say it isn’t easy. Good luck to anyone still in the process.

  • 2. Ash  |  May 27, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Mitchell Elem also selected it’s current AP

  • 3. Teacher  |  May 27, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Pulaski principal left with two years left to the contract, not sure where he went. The rumor is an LSC recruited him away. It would be interesting to find out where he ends up.

  • 4. Pulaski ?  |  May 27, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    I betcha Dr. B from Pulaski went to Burley. I know his one of his children go there.All I can think of is that the climate was still a bit hostile at Pulaski. Possibly to much change for the old timers who still have kids and grand kids in the school. As a principal you get tired of the song and dance, you just cant make everyone happy.

    Good for Michell, they have an excellent AP she will make a great Principal.

  • 5. Lasalle II parent  |  May 27, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Did Suder get a principal yet?

  • 6. southie  |  May 27, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Mogan Park HS is still searching, reported in the Beverly Review.

  • 7. Momof2  |  May 27, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    Alcott just hired Oriole Park principal, Elias Estrada. Our principal retires in June.

  • 8. mom1  |  May 27, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    it seems like a lot of principals are moving from school to school but very little “new blood”. Is this typical?

  • 9. mom1  |  May 27, 2012 at 11:03 pm

  • 10. K D  |  May 27, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    at least 3 selective enrollment schools on the South Side are seeking principals: Keller, McDade and Lenart.

  • 11. Mom J  |  May 28, 2012 at 2:39 am

    Suder does not have a principal yet! I think finding a CPS eligible candidate that really supports the Montessori method is very challenging, there is an added element to finding the right fit.

  • 12. Questioner  |  May 28, 2012 at 6:40 am

    @7 Will the new Alcott principal be principal of both the K-8 Alcott and the high school? Where did Alcott’s former principal go?

  • 13. cpsobsessed  |  May 28, 2012 at 8:05 am

    I believe Alcott’s retired.

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  • 14. Sped Mom  |  May 28, 2012 at 8:53 am

    About MPHS: “The stinkin’ [principals] list—that’s the crux of [the problem],” Goddard said.

  • 15. Momof2  |  May 28, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Yes, Mr. D retired from Alcott and the new principal will be responsible for prek-12.

  • 16. anon  |  May 28, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Nathan Pietrini will be the new principal at Hawthorne. Currently AP at Ogden. People at Hawthorne seem thrilled with him.
    Does anyone know what happened to Shayne Smith? I think she was a close runner up at Hawthorne but don’t know where she ended up. Lots of people thought she was great, too.

  • 17. K D  |  May 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Sped Mom —- can the public find out how many names are on the principal eligibility list? Can we see the names? Wasn’t that public informaiton in the past?

  • 18. K D  |  May 28, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    @8 mom1 – New blood?

    See Tribune Article – Non CPS principals will get $25k to come to Chicago.

  • 19. inedgewater  |  May 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Franklin Fine Arts is searching for a new principal as ours is retiring end of June. Principal forum is scheduled for tomorrow and the current AP will present along with the old Suder principal, Stephanie Bloom. I know nothing about Ms. Bloom. Anyone got thoughts about her previous tenure at Suder? All I know is she was in Central Office since the fall.

  • 20. Mom1  |  May 28, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    @18, as far as I know no principals have been recruited this way yet. New blood as in first time principals??

  • 21. Lasalle II parent  |  May 28, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    Stephanie Bloom left Suder to take the Fullerton Network Job. I do not think there is much security with the Network jobs. I think they will change like the wind. One minute they are AIO’s then CAO’s and now Network Chiefs.
    I am one of the original Suder Montessori parents. I think Stephanie Bloom is a hard worker and would do well in a school like Franklin. She is great with Balanced Literacy. My daughter became a great reader because of her guidance in kindergarten.
    Stephanie is highly motivated that is for sure. She was also trained through New Leaders for New Schools.

  • 22. Lasalle II parent  |  May 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Network nutsiness – Substance News

    I just found this article on the “networks”. Substance took the words right out of my mouth.

  • 23. cps mom  |  May 28, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    In the cps bulletin this past week there are move principal vacancies listed. May 25 seems like a little late to start the search. Even if resume come in this week this is June. Can they hire by June 30? If not what happens? Does anyone know, who will be principal July 1 is the old principal is retired and a new one not hired?

  • 24. Sped Mom  |  May 28, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    @ 7. K D | May 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    “can the public find out how many names are on the principal eligibility list? Can we see the names? Wasn’t that public informaiton in the past?”

    I don’t know. I bet Sarah Karp at Catalyst (Chicago) would. I also am wondering how those out-of-towner “new blood” principal candidates would get on the list? I hear it’s not a calkwalk.

  • 25. Lasalle II parent  |  May 28, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    I wonder if Mr. Soria regrets leaving Mitchell. He had so much respect from the school community. I heard he was another one who went for the Network Chief position.
    It’s weird how the principals that are successful get promoted but they never stay . Pat Baccellieri was successful with south loop school then took a central office job and is now back as a principal. Greg Benes from Talcott went to central office- where is he now? Stephanie Bloom Network Chief now hoping to be hired back as a principal.

  • 26. Katy  |  May 28, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    cpsobsessed , do you know the answer to # 23 question about if a principal is not selected?

  • 27. Katy  |  May 28, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    I know Morgan park has been without one for a couple years, who picked the interm principal?

  • 28. cpsobsessed  |  May 28, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    What I’ve heard in the past in schools that didn’t select a principal is that CPS assigns an interim principal (who seem to stay on.)
    I don’t know if that would be different this year might be different? ie an AP could run the school for a while?

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  • 29. LR  |  May 28, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Just got a note from Beaubien saying the Assistant Principal is now the Principal. And could not help but notice that Nick Kotis is now the Assistant Principal. I am assuming he is related to the retiring Principal, Chris Kotis? Can anyone from Beaubien shed some light on this?

  • 30. colleen  |  May 29, 2012 at 2:51 am

    @25 Craig Benes ex Talcott prinicpal is a Network Chief.

  • 31. beaubien mom  |  May 29, 2012 at 6:32 am

    #29- yes, this is true. I was a suprised and a little disappointed. The principal supported/endorsed his AP becoming principal, she gets hired and she hires his son as AP. I was hoping she was going show that she was more independant and creative than she appeared to be in her AP role- but this does not make me hopeful. This coupled w/ loosing our fabulous math teacher to become AP at another school- disappointing.

  • 32. WRP Mom  |  May 29, 2012 at 6:54 am

    Wow, sorry to hear Beaubien is losing their math teacher! I was quite impressed with him when I toured the school last fall. What school is he going to be AP at?

  • 33. mom2  |  May 29, 2012 at 8:47 am

    How many network chiefs are in the system? I have no understanding of CPS between principals and the CEO and school board. Why do we need these levels? What do they do?

  • 34. Harry&Jack'sMom  |  May 29, 2012 at 9:43 am

    The word is that the beloved Beaubien math teacher will be the AP at Oriole Park. I am happy for him, of course, but disappointed because we were looking forward to having him as my kid’s teacher. Kids were actually crying on one of my son’s classmate’s bus! He will be missed.

    Yes, also true about the retiring principal’s son becoming the new AP at Beaubien. I have not met him, but my son said he seemed nice when he visited all of the classrooms the other day. Not much to tell, at this point.

  • 35. cpsobsessed  |  May 29, 2012 at 9:47 am

    It just seems weird about the Beaubien’s principal’s son being hired, with the current climate in Illinois and CPS about cracking down on “favors”, nepotism, principal discretion, etc.
    Maybe the guy is the best AP candidate out there. Maybe his enthusiasm about the school is long-standing because of family ties.
    It just looks a little inappropriate, no?

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  • 36. Mayfair Dad  |  May 29, 2012 at 10:21 am

    @35 – I agree. Smells fishy. Although to be fair, if the younger Kotis grew up as the son of a successful school administrator, he might be pretty good at it. Sort of like the son of a doctor becoming a doctor, the son of a plumber becoming a plumber, the son of a cop becoming a cop, etc. Still — the perception says “fix”.

  • 37. Lasalle II parent  |  May 29, 2012 at 10:22 am

    CPS will assign an interim if the candidate is not picked. This happened at Galileo. He now has a contract with the school.

    All of the principals for Suder have been chosen by the CPS AIO.
    Some LSC do not have the authority to hire. They are called Advisory LSC. Suder has that type of LSC. In the end all of the work the LSC is doing in it’s search could be in vain because the Network office will put whom ever they want to,,,, and seeing that time is running out for the school year,it could very well end with the hand of CPS.

  • 38. Adele44  |  May 29, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Keller lsc hasn’t interviewed one candidate, but is holding a forum tonight anyway.

  • 39. Lasalle II parent  |  May 29, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I would love to hear how the Franklin forum went today.

  • 40. Solomon  |  May 29, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Solomon hasn’t named a new principal yet. Does anyone know who is in the running?

  • 41. Still searching for K  |  May 29, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Rumor has it that the Pulaski principal has been hired by Bateman. I’m not even a Bateman district parent and this makes me hugely excited. It will definitely be on my list of schools to check out.

  • 42. NAMom  |  May 29, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    @40: Solomon has named a new principal. We met her at a K. get together in mid May. I know nothing about any principals, but her name is Donica Glass.

  • 43. Mayfair Dad  |  May 29, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    @ 38 – how does that work? What is the purpose of the forum?

  • 44. inedgewater  |  May 29, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    @39 wILL LET you know after tonight. It starts at 6pm. Should be interesting.

  • 45. Lasalle II parent  |  May 29, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Principal forum is usually done in an open meeting where the candidates talk about themselves , take questions, etc. Its basically campaigning for the the job.

  • 46. d  |  May 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Any news on a new principal for Edison RGC?

  • 47. Solomon  |  May 29, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Thanks NAMom – interesting my parents friends there don’t know a new person has been hired yet.

    Googled Donica Glass – “Donica Glass, a former instruction specialist in Area 6, has been named principal at Solomon Elementary”

    Does this background qualify person to be principal?

  • 48. Mayfair Dad  |  May 29, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    @ LaSalle II parent – I know why a forum is typically held, but since Keller LSC hasn’t interviewed any candidates yet, why are they scheduling a forum? This is the occasion to introduce finalists to the school community. Doesn’t make sense unless we don’t have all the details.

  • 49. King Ph.d.  |  May 29, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Mayfair, this is because they have selected the finalists only by screening resumes. No site visits, no background checks, no interviews. Finalists are the acting principal appointed by CPS and an assistant principal from a couple of years ago. Rather sad state of affairs.

  • 50. Lasalle II parent  |  May 29, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Mayfair Dad-oh I thought you were talking about the Franklin forum.
    That was on my mind when I wrote .

    When Galileo school was looking for a principal they had a forum to meet all the candidates that were interested in the position. Parents actually forced the school to do it so the LSC would stop sitting on the arse! Maybe this is a way for Keller to get motivated but then again I know nothing of the situation.

  • 51. King Ph.d.  |  May 29, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Lasalle, Keller LSC has indicated that they may offer a contract without conducting interviews. Parents have tried to stop this but CPS has sent people to the school telling parents the LSC can do whatever they want, despite this process being a far cry from what CPS principal selection guidelines recommend.

  • 52. Ann  |  May 29, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    @46 – Mrs. Oberhart (the current AP) is the new principal for Edison.

  • 53. Mayfair Dad  |  May 29, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Now that I’ve read the bang bang way Lane hired their new principal, I’m beginning to wonder if this is a new variation on the process – bring in a short list of candidates (including the pre-determined favorite i.e. the current AP) for a public Q & A exercise, then the LSC goes into closed session for half and hour and comes back to offer the pre-determined favorite the job. Is this even Kosher? Does it satisfy open meetings act requirements?

    Sounds like some of the LSCs were sitting on their hands, or were handed too short notice, to put sufficient effort into the search process. Pretty half-assed way to do things if you ask me.

  • 54. King Ph.d.  |  May 29, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Keller Lsc had since December to conduct the search.

  • 55. cpsobsessed  |  May 29, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    I think you’re spot on about the process MFD. I can’t decide if I’d rather the LSC be upfront and say “we’re not gonna waste everyone’s time since were gonna just hire the AP” or to still do due diligence and bring in 2 other candidates who barely stand a chance…

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  • 56. anonymouseteacher  |  May 29, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    I am concerned for the schools who haven’t hired anyone yet. The principal pool is very shallow and I’d imagine that the decent ones have been scooped up already. At what point does the BOE take over and just start appointing people? I also wonder, there are nearly 150 administration openings and only 80 approved people on the list who aren’t already working in a CPS school as an admin. What hole are they going to pull those people out of? Has anyone been recruited from the 25K bonus deal that is being offered or is everyone avoiding Chicago?

  • 57. HS Mom  |  May 29, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    CPSO #55 – right!

    Mayfair dad, the spin off to your scenario that I have seen played out is LSC has the interviews, has the forum and the favorite still gets in via stacked LSC.

  • 58. cpsobsessed  |  May 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    I don’t know — I guess I appreciate that the LSC takes time to bring in other candidates. Who knows, maybe they’ll be blown away.

    Amundsen is having a forum even though I suspect the AP is a shoo-in. It’ll require him to verbalize his goals for the school in front of the school community.

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  • 59. Lasalle II parent  |  May 29, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Cpsobsessed- that is exactly what the LSC tried to do at Galileo a few years back. They wanted the AP in so badly but many parents wanted a fair candidate search. That LSC sat on their arse and did nothing. They stalled the whole process even knowing that the AP did not have a type 75 certificate. To this day the school is still trying to find its way after the fact.
    They did get a principal assigned to the school and things are ok but the parent population wanted an outside the box thinker. EVen a few years ago the pool of candidates was shallow. The only one that people really looked at was Pat Baccelieri because he had experience but then he was scooped up by Pulaski.
    I think Amy Kotz from Gunsaluas is a good pick for a school. Not sure if she got scooped up yet.

  • 60. inedgewater  |  May 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    OK, had our forum at Franklin Fine Arts. The current AP and Stephanie Bloom were each given 40 minutes. Hands down, the presentation by the AP was passionate, nervous, focused on the kids, and completely sincere.

    Ms. Bloom is certainly qualified but had no passion and must have mentioned “instructional leadership” about 10+ times compared to the one time the AP did. 4 years as principal does not make one an “instructional leader”. Her brochure highlighting her accomplishments was fine except that it was completely generic and not focused towards our arts magnet school. [You would think she’d take 20 minutes and update it or skew it towards the ARTS if she’s going to an arts magnet school.]

    It was, frankly, a bit sad. I went in with an open mind but left thinking that Ms. Bloom’s inexperience and overtly bubbly personality would definitely not be a good fit for an already successful school. She didn’t particularly focus on the arts nor even pay any kind of lip-service to maintaining or improving the arts focus. Nor the need for the arts. She harped on data and testing.

    On the other hand, Ms. Bloom would be a good candidate for a school that has problems. She’s very peppy.

    We’ll see what the LSC does. Decision should be known by Friday. It seemed that the 60+ folks in the room were mostly of the same opinion. Lots of teachers there too. We all received evaluation forms to fill out and hand back to the LSC members on the search committee.

  • 61. Katy  |  May 30, 2012 at 12:01 am

    How do you know there are only 80 names on the eligibility list? I keep hearing stuff like this, but I thought the list was top secret.

  • 62. Bookworm  |  May 30, 2012 at 6:46 am

    I think Bloom is a great candidate for parents who like a very testing heavy ” data driven” atmosphere.

    Excellent Montessori teachers left Suder under her leadership because they found it too hostile an environment for well trained Montessori teachers using the method in their classrooms. In her years Suder cut down on how much the method was used in the elementary program
    Bloom sat in on the elementary classrooms and expected scripted lessons.

    CPS should look out of their small principal pool if they do actually appoint at Suder and find someone from one of the places with long term public Montessori programs with the experience to let it be a Montessori school. Milwaukee is one- they have had well recognized public Montessori schools for decades.

    Maybe someone amazing from Milwaukee’s long successful programs would move down.

  • 63. anonymouseteacher  |  May 30, 2012 at 7:03 am

    No, it is not top secret, that’s just silly. I know the basic numbers from my principal who told me.

  • 64. Mayfair Dad  |  May 30, 2012 at 9:05 am

    @ 59: Amy Kotz is an impressive candidate but tends to freeze up at the public forum. I hope she has worked on her presentation skills. A successful principal needs to be able to communicate in large group settings. I like her and I wish her well.

    Perhaps this pattern of seemingly hasty AP promotions is in response to the scarcity – real or imagined – of qualified candidates.

  • 65. momof3boys  |  May 30, 2012 at 10:22 am

    @29- is Nick Kotis from Lane Tech?

  • 66. momof3boys  |  May 30, 2012 at 10:25 am

    i hit the enter button… if so, my son had him as a teacher and LOVED him.

  • 67. Curious  |  May 30, 2012 at 10:30 am

    What do Beaubian parents have to say about the current much-maligned and criticized (see numerous past posts) principal’s flesh and blood now taking a leadership role?

    Fears that the reign of terror, rudeness and mediocrity will continue?

  • 68. Lasalle II parent  |  May 30, 2012 at 10:36 am

    @ Bookwork
    You are spot on with your comments on Suder. I was there for all of it. We gave up on the CPS Montessori program after kindergarten.
    I am very happy the traditional school we are in now, No smoke and mirrors. It is hard enough just having your child in the CPS system. You really want the school to be a transparent as possible.
    I do think Stephanie Bloom brought Suder up to speed which it desperately needed or else it would have been on probation. She really was between a rock and a hard place.
    She definitely transformed the reading program at the school.
    I lot of parents owe her a thanks for that. The art teacher Amy Gale is one of the best. I wish our school had her, I wish every school could have an Amy Gale!

    Good luck Franklin sounds like the AP is very warm and has an emotional investment which is always best for the kids.

  • 69. Lasalle II parent  |  May 30, 2012 at 10:38 am

    @ Bookwork and Edgewater
    You are spot on with your comments on Suder. I was there for all of it. We gave up on the CPS Montessori program after kindergarten.
    I am very happy the traditional school we are in now, No smoke and mirrors. It is hard enough just having your child in the CPS system. You really want the school to be a transparent as possible.
    I do think Stephanie Bloom brought Suder up to speed which it desperately needed or else it would have been on probation. She really was between a rock and a hard place.
    She definitely transformed the reading program at the school.
    I lot of parents owe her a thanks for that. The art teacher Amy Gale is one of the best. I wish our school had her, I wish every school could have an Amy Gale!

    Good luck Franklin sounds like the AP is very warm and has an emotional investment which is always best for the kids.

  • 70. LR  |  May 30, 2012 at 11:10 am

    @67: We are starting at Beaubien next year. I am hoping the apple falls far from the tree.

  • 71. cpsobsessed  |  May 30, 2012 at 11:12 am

    I think the bigger Beaubien challenge is the new principal (current AP) trying (hopefully) to change the current school culture. That takes a unique person to come from within and shake up the status quo and inspire teachers to do things differently.
    I think an AP is usually selected when the LSC is happy enough with things the way they are.

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  • 72. cpsobsessed  |  May 30, 2012 at 11:14 am

    That said, at Waters, the AP was like night vs day compared to the principal she replaced, so you never know what potential is lurking in these AP’s. I do think it takes a while to phase in changes successfully.

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  • 73. katy  |  May 30, 2012 at 11:14 am

    @63 No need to call anyone SILLY. It was just a question. And, it is not excately published anywhere.

  • 74. NWside Parent  |  May 30, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Just found out that OA Thorp hired their new principal – Efren Toledo. He is the current AP at Jamieson starts July 1st.

  • 75. d  |  May 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    @52 – thanks – howabout any news on a new K teacher for Edison? (I’m a new K parent.) Thanks

  • 76. ncm  |  May 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    @75 – new Edison K parent too – interest in meeting up for a summer playdate? I have not yet heard anything about the new K teacher and am anxious to hear when the orientation they usualy hold in mid-June will be.

  • 77. Dazed&ConfusedinChicago  |  May 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    We are looking to hire a principal named Dr. Delena Little. Does anyone have any experience working with her as a principal of John B. Drake elementary prior to 2004, or as AIO for Area 17 from 2004-2009? Any information, positive or negative, is greatly appreciated!

  • 78. d  |  May 30, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    @76 – we got a letter today about the Edison “practice kindergarten” – it is the week of 6/25.

    A handful of us started an email group that you can find on under edison-k-2012 but nobody has posted anything yet!

  • 79. Jill  |  May 30, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    @77 What school, Dazed and Confused? If it’s Keller, I suggest you conduct a formal principal search. Develop rubrics to evaluate resumes, first round interview, second round interview, background checks and forum. Oh, and open your principal selection committee up to a broader set of staff and parents. Every cycle in the school should be represented, as well as special education, PSRPs, ELLs. etc.

  • 80. Lasalle II parent  |  May 30, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    @77 are you sure her name is not Denise Little?

  • 81. Bookworm  |  May 30, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    @68 Montessori programs in the public system need Montessori trained and confident administrative staff to succeed. Bloom was the second principal at Suder to lack the skills to steer a Montessori program. Considering the huge number of applicants to the Montessori programs I am surprised that CPS still refuses to let the principalship of Suder go to a well qualified Montessori trained administrator. A well qualified, trained Montessori admin team would shake up the school quite a bit which would not be tolerated by parents who don’t trust real Montessori programs even as they apply and go to Suder. thro

    I wish they would just open a fresh new CPS Montessori school with all of the unused materials at Mayer and Suder and begin another program. Parents lack confidence in the efficacy in the Montessori method at both schools in the elementary years and they have watered down both young programs to the point that they don’t really use the method past kindergarden. You can’t fault the method when it isn’t really being used.

    Long term studies of the children from the Milwaukee public Montessori programs from graduation through college and beyond show the continued benefit of their participation in an authentic public Montessori setting until 8th grade (and in the Montessori high schools there) without the compromises demanded by anxious parents and untrained principals at Suder.

  • 82. Cps,om  |  May 30, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    I keep hearing that there are all these vacancies and a shortage of applicants but where are the advertisements? I only counted 18 in the last month of CPS HR listings.

  • 83. Cps,I'm  |  May 31, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Our AP was not hired for the principal job.

  • 84. anonymouseteacher  |  May 31, 2012 at 6:35 am

    Not every vacancy in CPS is posted. My school, which has 24 regular classroom teachers has a dozen vacancies. Half our staff. None of them are posted. My principal fills spots on her own. She only uses the HR site when she has difficulty filling a shortage area, like sped or bilingual. Principalships can be the same. Word of mouth gets out, resumes get sent in, and candidates get interviewed.

  • 85. 8th grade mom  |  May 31, 2012 at 7:57 am

    @74 – Do you know anything about him? We missed the LSC forum.

  • 86. Mayfair Dad  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Off topic, but worth a look. Matt Farmer drops the bomb on Penny Pritzker at the CTU Rally. Great stuff. Enjoy.

  • 87. Dazed&ConfusedinChicago  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:27 am

    @Lasalle II parent–No it is definitely Delena Little, that’s Dr. Delena Little.

    @Jill — Yes it is Keller but I am not on the LSC and they are not being so transparent when it comes to the search. They refused to post outside of CPS. They refused to have a parent sub-committee on the search. I suspect they are being rushed through this by CPS to hire her since she was a displaced AIO after the development of Networks.

  • 88. ncm  |  May 31, 2012 at 10:30 am

    @78 – Yes, got the letter regarding the June 25th week. Thanks for the google group info. I’ll check it out. See you June!

  • 89. mom2  |  May 31, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Mayfair Dad, thank you for that interesting video.
    I think parents certainly agree that we need a well rounded education with arts, music and PE and we don’t want our kids spending days upon days doing standardized testing. We are 100% behind that.

    But I didn’t hear anyone talk about where we are going to get the money to pay for all that – especially when teachers want 30% more just for themselves.

  • 90. db  |  May 31, 2012 at 11:30 am

    What mom2 said… 100% agree… I don’t see the CTU looking out for kids, I see them looking out for themselves. They need to modify their strategy.

  • 91. Gunnery Sgt Hartman  |  May 31, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    I agree, where’s the money going to come from, Matt Farmer? If teachers are going to insist on paying 2% toward their pensions, we can’t afford to pay for arts and fitness programs.

  • 92. Mayfair Dad  |  May 31, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    @ 89 – 91. What I find interesting is that while most CPS parents would agree on the problems, there is such disparity on who is to blame for the mess we’re in and how do we get out of this mess.

    Pension reform is the 900 lb gorilla in the room. Why should I be content to eat cat food in my golden years so public employee union members can retire to Ft. Myers in comfort? School funding will not get fixed until teacher pensions get fixed.

  • 93. HS Mom  |  May 31, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    We can go deeper here with the analogies to Lab school. How many 6th graders at Lab have a 2nd grade reading level or can do math beyond their fingers? First things first.

  • 94. CPS Parent  |  May 31, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Mat Farmer’s inflammatory, and ad hominem attack on Penny Pritzker might be entertaining for a CTU rally but offers no solutions and is vacuous.

  • 95. klm  |  May 31, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    It’s interesting to see Jesse Jackson. at these things. He was also at a big rally to “save” Dyett HS (a pro-typical ‘failure factory’ by just about anybody’s definition), etc. Jesse Jackson, Jr. went to St Alban’s in DC –a posh private school very much like Lab (with an even more expensive price tag). If people like Jesse expect people to send their kids to CPS schools like Dyett (what, so if they are in the 30% that actually graduates, they’ll be able to read and do math at a 7th grade level upon graduation –if they’re lucky? Why would CPS want to shut down such an academic ‘gem’?!) , then he should not send his own son to a school like St. Alban’s. “Do as I say, not as I do”, I guess.

    I’m not 100% in agreement with what Matt Farmer said in the video that MayfairDad linked to, but at least he is a CPS parent, not just somebody that sends their own kids to private school, then pontificates about some supposed desire to make CPS better (which I know is genuine in most cases, but rings very hollow to all us CPS parents in the trenches).

    I disagree about Matt’s views on standardized tests -you can’t manage or change what you don’t measure. Sorry, but it’s glaringly obvious when dealing with so many schools that are failing academically that standardized test results are a God’s send. Does anybody really believe that kids at Lab are in any danger of receiving a substandard education? That’s why they don’t test perhaps as much, outside the classroom. However, even then, kids at Lab need to take the PSAT, ACT, SATs, APs, etc., which give a very good indication of where Lab kids stand. If there were academic quality issues at Lab, I bet they’d be working, testing, examining the results and testing some more to see what works best to improve –that’s what virtually all effective, successful organisations do.

    If it weren’t for ISAT scores, how would any of us know where our kids or our kids’ schools stand? Didn’t we all look at lists, “rankings”, comparisons with the suburbs, etc., that are based in ISAT results to know where schools stand in order to find a good CPS one for our kids? I, for one, am grateful for standardized testing in this regard, so I’m not about to trash it as some plot to chain CPS teachers to a rigid curriculum.


    You are on point. Northside’s average ACT score is at (or perhaps a smidge above) Lab’s HS. It’s not “public schools” people have issues with, it’s the dysfunction and tragic gaps in achievement and social norms (that every educated professional in America runs from when looking for schools for their kids) a la Dyett HS which so many CPS schools exhibit with obvious horrible results.

    It’s not CPS teachers many parents are against, but a rigid system of
    union-based jobs protection that puts the wants of adults regarding their paychecks, benefits and job security above the needs of children. It’s this set up alone that keeps some parents away from public schools, especially CPS.

  • 96. SoxSideIrish4  |  May 31, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    #95~klm~next year is the last yr for ISAT in CPS. I’m grateful that’s one less standardize test. The amount of money paid to Pearson is enormous!

  • 97. Gloomy2Day  |  May 31, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    96- no ISAT??? what will the students lose sleep over in order to get into SEHS?

  • 98. RL Julia  |  May 31, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    I think its going to be replaced by some other standardized test.

  • 99. burleygirl  |  May 31, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Burley has our AP Ms. Plocher

  • 100. IB obsessed  |  May 31, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    @98- Common Core which is supposed to test better for writing and critical thinking skills. We’ll see.

  • 101. mom1  |  May 31, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    if the principal jobs are not advertised, i guess word of mouth must play into getting a job. Not what you know but who you know?

  • 102. Ann  |  May 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Our LSC only got 16 resumes. Not much to pick from. Thankfully there were about 7-8 excellent ones to call for interviews. Unfortunately two of them were already take about a week ago. Pickings are slim BUT there are some great candidates still out there.

  • 103. no name 2  |  May 31, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    So who is still looking? What’s still vacant for principal? Are there LSC who have not called for the first interview yet? My school hasn’t. Anyone else in this position.

  • 104. Tchr  |  May 31, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    I spent over $5000 this school year. Not on stickers and cupcakes but on supplies (crayons, pencils, copy paper, tissues), clothes (what happens when a 5 yr old boy wears the same soiled girls uniform shirt everyday or another student comes to school without gloves, or a student wets herself and we have no working phone number to call a parent to bring new clothes- I have extras on hand), books and phonics games (my 5 year olds need to be reading a level c by the end of kindergarten and the school does not provide a curriculum or any materials), field trip fees (not everyone can pay up), etc. I am at work from 7:00am to 5:30 pm and do maybe another hour work at home and then lesson planning on weekends. Cps wants me to work more. As if i am already not doing enough in my 99% free and reduced lunch school. I want the best for my students. If I didnt, why would I choose to teach there when it could be so much easier in Schaumburg or Lincoln Square or Oak Park. lappet so many roles in my students lives, but instead of a thank you, I am told a. I am not doing enough and asking for more money for more work is greedy and I must only care about myself not my students and their needs. FYI, not all schools have trustworthy parent volunteers to supervise lunch or recess. Many teachers give up their current 20 minute lunch to sit with students at lunch. I also give up my prep to meet in small groups and do 1 on 1 assessments for 2 weeks 3 times a year.
    Why shouldn’t I get a raise? My kids who called letters ” 6, circle, and I don’t know” are reading, asking questions, saying please and thank you. I work hard. I am exhausted every night. We don’t have a PTA or room moms. Our LSC and PAC are in constant battle with teachers and admin over uniforms or other petty things. I work hard. I got 1 thank you note last year and 1 parent this year tell me I was doing a good job. I’m not a teacher for those reasons but the constant attacks wear on you.

    I talked to one of those socialists handing out socialist newspapers at the rally last week. He asked me what I thought ctu would have to do to win and I said while a 30% raise would be nice it’s not realistic in this economy. He countered my thought by saying Illinois and Chicago has the money. It’s just how they choose to spend it. Do we really need speed cameras? Do cps officials need 250k salaries? Teachers aren’t the cause of these problems by they get the backlash because people think it is an easy job. Everyone went to school so everyone thinks they know what a successful school should be so if it is so easy why should we pay them anything worth while.

    Favorite posters and sayings at the rally. “Make me work longer! Give me more students! Pay me less!”. (FYI. I teach k to 33 students in a high poverty school, full school day, no aide. And yes- my students NEED to be at the same level your children are by the end of kindergarten in order to close achievement gap, be college ready.

    Ps. I love my babies. I wouldn’t give up teaching them for a higher paying job in Evanston. Give me a higher paying job where I am.

  • 105. CPS Parent  |  May 31, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    @104 Tchr, I believe Mayor Emanuel has suggested additional compensation for teachers in low income schools. Do you know if the CTU is open to that type of differentiation in wage scales? My understanding is that it has not in the past.

  • 106. IB obsessed  |  May 31, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    @104 How does it happen that a school has NO materials to implement a curriculum. Please tell. I hear these things and can’t wrap my mind around it. If there are no funds for it, why not? Is it mismanagement of funds by the school? What? Doesn’t a high poverty level school get MORE funding per pupil????

  • 107. Tchr  |  May 31, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    It boggles me. We have no set curriculum on anything. We have bootleg photo copies of a bunch of things.

    Mismanagement of funds is my guess. I used to sub in Lincoln Park, Wrigleyville, and Logan Square. Now I work on far south side. The inequities are crazy.

    You’d think I’d be for “differentiated pay” and I would… Except I feel like it would also open a can of worms and pressure me to pressure my students more. And isn’t that what Cps is trying to do is divide up union to make members against each other? Divide and conquer?

  • 108. anon  |  May 31, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Amy Kotz will create complete dysfunction. Nothing personal – not a good leader. Was once a good teacher.

  • 109. anonymouseteacher  |  May 31, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    @101, it is often “who you know” in CPS and most jobs. One suburban district I applied to near where my spouse works had more than 2500 resumes for one Kindergarten position. They only interviewed 3 people, 2 were current teachers in the district and one was recommended by a board member. My principal will pretty much only consider teachers that have been referred to her by someone, though for a few of us it was because we have “shortage area” credentials. Why hire an unknown entity when she can get 5 good referrals, interview them all and then pick the best of those? And if you have multiple people calling you to tell you a particular teacher is great, that carries a lot of weight.
    But, there is a teacher glut presently, so it is easy to get people, at least in the safer, half way decent schools. However, with principals in CPS and the principal pool being so small, I wonder how many former principals who currently work downtown in some easier capacity or current AP’s will be pulled out and told they must take positions in schools that are without principals. Those openings have to be staffed and soon and there are so many. How many people are just dying to get hired in a poor performing school that will just be shut down in a few years anyway, probably destroying their career in the process? Truthfully, there aren’t many and CPS will have to figure out what to do and quickly.
    The other thing is, CPS isn’t exactly known for being on top of things. I can easily see central office forgetting to advertise openings! They “forgot” to pay me correctly for 10 weeks at the beginning of the school year (as in half my check), they accidentally dropped a whole bunch of teachers and their families from their health insurance for some unknown reason, so it isn’t hard for me to imagine them forgetting to post openings either.

  • 110. cpsobsessed  |  May 31, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    I don’t know about the divide thing. Most people in professional jobs the US get paid on a merit-ish system (more or less) and they all manage to work together as a team without imploding.

    Those who aren’t good end up leaving and that ends up working out….

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  • 111. CPS Parent  |  May 31, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Actually, the differentiated pay in this case would not be based on merit, it would be purely for working in certain schools. I don’t think the CTU will buy in though since it will perceive it as a slippery slope to additional differentiation.

  • 112. anonymouseteacher  |  May 31, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    @106, I used to teach in one of those schools that had no money for anything. Now I am in a school that will actually purchase a good portion of what I need as long as I can justify it and I don’t ask too often for too much. I actually went home and cried when my asst. principal offered to purchase $300 of literacy matericals for my room this year. I had to purchase EVERYTHING at my other school. They wouldn’t even buy $5 bins at target for book bins for our class libraries (that we teachers supplied ALL the books for). Teaching in a north side, well run school has serious advantages. I think this is the first year I spent less than $2000 (in one year) in my entire teaching career.
    I used to think it was because CPS was poor. Now I think it is total mismanagement by local schools and sheer apathy and neglect on the part of the BOE.
    I went in to ask my principal for something else I needed for my room and immediately she said, “Yes, we have money for that. Buy them and I’ll reimburse you.” Shocking, amazing and nothing short of miraculous.
    @105, in some ways I think additional pay for teachers who teach in hard-to-staff schools is terrific. I have often said that teachers in some schools should be paid double because things are so incredibly awful. On the other hand, if one is teaching in a difficult school, the likelihood of that school being closed is high. If the school is closed, it can then be difficult to impossible to get hired anywhere else. I am not sure it is worth the risk right now. I suppose if someone is desperate though, they might have to. If we were in a teacher shortage time, it wouldn’t matter. I was hired sight unseen strictly from a resume in a bad school during one of those teacher shortages a decade or so ago. Nowadays, that would never happen.

  • 113. Tchr  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    My boyfriend recently got a promotion. He is now a business development manager. He has a base salary and commission. Since his promotion, he has had to give ultimatums to his sales teams- basically sell more or the big guys say you gotta go. It’s easy to tell if they are doing their job well. They are either making money for the company or they are not- and if they are not, they are losing money for the company because they are getting paid a salary but not making any money to return on that salary. When he was forced to give these ultimatums, it was difficult. While it could possibly motivate them to work harder to keep their job, it could also scare them and make them nervous and jittery about their job.

    Teaching is different- no? When my students don’t do well on a test, I know my reaction should be well I need to reteach, form a small group, think of another way to teach, tutor, etc. When my principal is looking at my scores (yes in kindergarten, my scores) and wondering and pestering why they aren’t where they should be, I may not always be so calm teaching and assisting and guiding etc. (we have a no nonsense whatever it takes motto, even if that means it must be the teacher that is the problem, not the lack of structure, family support, resources, etc. We are made to be the only adults responsible for our student’s education.

    Merit pay pushes for business standards in an education world.

    Logistics- teaching in a magnet or selective enrollment school would yield more supportive parents that had to jump through hoops to get their kids in. So is it easier? What if it is a selective enrollment school in Englewood? Or a charter school that enrolls similar strong willed families. Is that easier ? What if I work in a tough school but do nothing because I claim it is just a lost cause ? Or teach in Portage Park and glide by under the radar? I am not saying the union is perfect. Or the contract. Or negotiations. I do think i should get more money for battle wounds. But… When my school decides I am worth too much money with a masters degree and they can get a TfA teacher or new college grad, who wins? A business can jump back after a quarter of training new hires. Do students deserve the turnover of good expensive teachers for the training of several new cheap teachers (who may turn out to be great after a few years but really are experimenting their teaching craft on our poorest and neediest students?). Getting paid more can sometimes be a curse. Google how many teachers with masters and high marks and years under their belt are suddenly let go from their school and wondering why.

  • 114. dropping by  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    so….back to the principal shortage…

  • 115. dropping by  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    If a principal need 7 votes to get a contract and there are five vacancies on the LSC, can a contract be offered? Anyone knows? It would seem like no.

  • 116. anon  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    What if, instead of the large raise, every teacher was given $2000 each year that must be spent on classroom supplies, curriculum related items, etc. and the purchases must be documented (plus a 2% raise). Would anyone vote for that?

  • 117. Cpsmom  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    @ 116 huh?

  • 118. Cpsmom  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    at 115, I think an interim principal will e selected by the board, similar to if there is a full board but no candidate gets 7 votes.

  • 119. katy  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    wonder what ever happened to the 25,ooo cps was offering for principals to come to Chicago. Anyone know if any principals are being hired this way.

  • 120. mom1  |  May 31, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Are SEHS and SEES recycling the same principals? A principal leaves one SEHS and ends up at another SEHS, and vice versa. Seems this way to me.

  • 121. cpsobsessed  |  May 31, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Brizard made mention of the $25k bonus last week. They seem to WANT to offer it, but I’m unclear if it’s up to each LSC to do an external search and the groundwork required. That’s a lot of work.

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  • 122. anon  |  June 1, 2012 at 6:15 am

    sorry about post 116. It seems that every time the discussion of the 30% increase in pay comes up, a teacher explains that they must get paid more…and then they speak about the thousands of dollars that they spend on classroom supplies every year (because their school doesn’t manage funds well or the principal says no or whatever). Since parents want what is best of their kids and the school more than they want a broke system to find money and let the teachers just take it home, I was trying to find a compromise. Since teachers claim they spend their own money on those things anyway, if they were given money that must be used for those things, it is just like a raise, but more palatable for the rest of us.

  • 123. HS Mom  |  June 1, 2012 at 8:46 am

    @104 – “He asked me what I thought ctu would have to do to win and I said while a 30% raise would be nice it’s not realistic in this economy. He countered my thought by saying Illinois and Chicago has the money”

    This statement illustrates a bigger problem in coming to reason with CTU. This is the best kept secret – we’re sitting on a treasure chest.

  • 124. mom2  |  June 1, 2012 at 9:09 am

    We have the money? Where? “Show me the money”

  • 125. Mayfair Dad  |  June 1, 2012 at 9:14 am


  • 126. anotherchicagoparent  |  June 1, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Not sure if this has been mentioned in previous posts..Burley offered a principal contract to their current AP Catherine Plocher.

    Thanks to WBEZ! Retiring principals 92 ,retiring AP’s 50
    Retiring teachers 1,954 a 40 percent jump.

  • 127. junior  |  June 1, 2012 at 9:45 am

    @125 MFD

    What’s a mere $35 million? Apparently some guy on the street said the city and state have tons of money. Woo-hoo!

  • 128. mom2  |  June 1, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Mayfair Dad, I guess that wasn’t the secret money that the CTU thinks we have. They must think we have so much money we don’t need those millions.
    (By the way…I do understand the CTU being concerned about HOW teachers might get merit pay, but work with CPS, don’t fight them every step of the way. This does nothing at all to help anyone!)

  • 129. cpsobsessed  |  June 1, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Well, CPS shoulda known, new mgmt could mean a new POV.
    It’s hard to comprehend the 30 percent raise request combined with a giant NO on the merit thing (or differentiated pay as CPS calls it, since merit is just a portion of the whole thing.)
    But I suppose Rahm comes across as just as obstinate to the union.

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  • 130. James  |  June 1, 2012 at 10:54 am

    And now CTU says it will rush a strike vote next week so it can count the votes of the retiring teachers, who tend to be more hard line than the newer teachers — and who, by the way, are retiring so they will have no skin in the game next year anyway. This vote, of course, will also be before the independent mediator issues its report and recommendation in July. It’s so transparent and cynical, it hurts.

    Thumb your nose at the $35 million in extra pay being offered to teachers who most need and deserve it; hold huge attention-grabbing rallies where you hoot and holler and insult your counterparts at the negotiation table; rush a strike vote before the recommended solution is even offered so you can beat the 75% hurdle; and then go on to demand a 30% raise at time of economic calamity. As Mayfair Dad says, there is only one word: unfreakingbelievable.

  • 131. 44ToDay  |  June 1, 2012 at 11:03 am

    The votes of teachers retiring at the end of this year should NOT count….now back to principal vacancy.

  • 132. mom2  |  June 1, 2012 at 11:20 am

    cpsobsessed – maybe we should start another thread since some people don’t want to discuss the looming strike vote in the thread about principals. Since this is supposed to start being discussed today, I assume some people here will want to weigh in. I, for one, am very unhappy with the way this whole thing is being handled…it is making me crazy.

  • 133. 8th grade mom  |  June 1, 2012 at 11:47 am

    I read posts like the one from the teacher, and am totally sympathetic to the teachers. But I’m still rather irked by the union. Unfortunately, whether they intend to or not, the union comes across as completely negative, fighting every proposal for change, but not offering any new ideas. I’d love to see the union out there as a force for positive change, not just being naysayers. I believe the teachers are committed and deserve more; perhaps higher pay, but certainly better resources for their schools and their students. The need to demand more from their leadership.

  • 134. 8th grade mom  |  June 1, 2012 at 11:48 am

    I should add, perhaps the union is generating new ideas, and th press isn’t picking up on it. The union should find some ways to manipulate the press. Politicians do it all the time.

  • 135. HS Mom  |  June 1, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    @134 Oh, I think the union has found some ways to manipulate the press.

    “While a Tribune/WGN poll released last month showed a majority of Chicago voters, especially CPS parents, side with the union over the mayor on overall attempts to improve education,…”

    Somehow, I didn’t get the memo,0,5481946.story?page=1

  • 136. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 1, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Alice Winkler CPS pitches media misleading story: CPS fraudulent grant funds!

  • 137. CPS Parent  |  June 1, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    I can understand why merit pay is very contentious since it extremely difficult, if not impossible, in our urban setting to come up with fair metrics. When it comes to the CTU opposition to differentiated pay I think they are unnecessarily rigid. A higher pay-scale for teachers in low performing schools seems fair to all stakeholders.

  • 138. junior  |  June 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    This CTU leadership does a terrible disservice to the many good teachers of Chicago. Time and again they come off as petty, inflexible, divisive, disgruntled and hyperbolic in sharp contrast with groups like the Wisconsin teachers who won a ton of public sympathy.

  • 139. another cps mom  |  June 1, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Hmm. I don’t see them that way. But, I’m a unionist.

  • 140. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    @138~Really? I don/t think so at all. Many, many parents are standing w/Teachers. Also WI had it different than IL. SB7 reads that CTU can’t bring up anything up in contract talks except pay and benefits. They can only bring up what CPS brings up.

    I did hear that there is a lot of tension at CPS and several key ppl are not talking to each other. Winkler is probably in trouble too since NBC reported abt misleading remarks and CPS will have to give back the $34M, of which $1M has already has been used fraudulently.

  • 141. junior  |  June 1, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Yeah, I’m pro-union, too. Just anti-bad-union-practices.

  • 142. relieved mom  |  June 1, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    @140 and @138 I view it both ways…I think many people sympathize with the teachers — we have an excellent staff at our school but are frustrated with CPS in a number of areas. At the same time I think Karen Lewis does a terrible job of representing these wonderful teachers. Frankly I would be embarrassed if she were representing my interests, and I have felt this way long before the beginning of this current contract negotiation.

  • 143. cpsobsessed  |  June 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Just reading back – yeah, I’ll start a thread about the cps/ctu issue since it’s clearly a biggie…

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  • 144. Tchr  |  June 1, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Where does the extra 25k signing bonus come from? Where did the extra money for raises for CPS officials? Why do we spend more money per inmate than we do per student? Where did the money to pay schools for trial extended day come from?

    There is no money? Or money is divided and spent to keep the lower class stay the lower class?

  • 145. NEIL!!  |  June 1, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Reavis ES (834 East 50th Str), is seeking a new Principal and AP!, If anyone knows strong-qualified candidates we’d be interested in hear from them!! Our community deserves a fantastic leader.

  • 146. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 1, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Brizard couldn’t walk away from the table, bc he’s never been there
    And CPS is paying more ppl to do Brizard’s job! UGH! No wonder other school districts are making fun of Rahm, he brings it on himself.

  • 147. K D  |  June 1, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Sorry to go off topic, but I just got a call from a focus group recruiting firm called Fieldwork (847-983-7900). They are recruiting parents for focus groups on early childhood education. The recruiter said my childs name and grade range. They said that CPS gave them my child’s name. When did we consent to allow CPS to give out the names and corresponding phone numbers for our children to third parties? The recruiter said I could call Susan Birholtz, Director of Internal Communications and Employee Branding at CPS. 773-553-1632. They could have done this without giving out our children’s names. I plan to ask Ms Birholtz how they will secure and protect the data now that they’ve released it outside of CPS. Am I overly concerned about this apparent poor choice by CPS?

  • 148. Angie  |  June 1, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    @104. Tchr: “I spent over $5000 this school year.”

    Do you know where the extra several hudred dollars per student that low-income schools receive went? And if you don’t, did you ask your principal about it?

  • 149. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 1, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    No, that’s not being overly concerned at all. No one should be calling your home…what if you had a private number? I wonder why I’m getting cards from charter schools that aren’t even by our house that is addressed to my son…cps gave out his name and address.

  • 150. foureyes  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:10 am

    This should be great! Raise Your Hand has got a public forum coming up!

    Next RYH Forum – 6/11 in Logan Square at Haas Park, 2409 N. Washtenaw

    Come join us for an important discussion – “Changes and Challenges at CPS”– with a focus on the parent-teacher connection during tough times, what’s at stake during contract negotiations, how state law SB7 impacts the process, hear from parents and classroom teachers about their perspective on what’s important for next school year and beyond. Rod Estvan from Access Living will be on the panel along with a rep from Logan Square Neighborhood Association and others.

    Place: Haas Park

    Date: Monday, June 11

    Time: 6:30-8:30pm

    Address: 2409 N. Washtenaw (runs one way north from Fullerton)

    Email us at if you plan to attend. We are asking for a $5 optional donation for this event.

  • 151. Cps,I'm  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:44 am

    At 145, is the school advertisising the principal vacancy in the HR book yet? I thought it had to be advertised befor you could apply so OPPD could send your profile to the LSC.

  • 152. LSC former member  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:49 am

    I believe people mentioned this before, there are so many vacancies yet the LSC at many schools ( non SEHS/SEES) are sitting on their hands. What is up with this?

  • 153. LSC former member  |  June 2, 2012 at 9:02 am

    As a former LSC member, I can attest to the lack of foresight, planning, experience, and everything else that can cause a principal search to go astray. MANY times the majority of the council get stuck on their own minor agenda that at the end of the day does not affect instruction. I remember one principal vote was deadlocked because the potential hire wanted to hire a music teacher instead of art (there was only funds for one). This time is silliness happens frequently. Principal contract renewals are the same, during one renewal process several people voted to non renew because they thought the principal should have been more outgoing. they all agreed that the principals’s lask of outgoing ness in no way affected her ability to lead and move score but yet they wanted to get rid of her!! I personally think we need a better system. Just because you popped out a kid (parent reps) does not mean you are qualified to determine the best leader for a school. Also, just because you live within the boundaries of the school does not make you qualified. There have to be real training and professionalism in this processes. You would be amazed at what people focus on during these hiring sessions, trust me…been there, done that.

    By the way I was a parent rep so I am no way being offensive to parents, just speaking from experience.

  • 154. LSC former mem  |  June 2, 2012 at 9:04 am

    @153 Ditto!

  • 155. Sometimes concern, sometimes amusement  |  June 2, 2012 at 10:13 am

    As a teacher who has had the irritating privilege of four principals in a five year period at the same school, I can state that there is something very peculiar in the training of principals these days. It seems like they are all extremely ego driven with severe ethical issues and not too much ability to relate to students, teachers and parents. Blatant lying, lack of organizational and interpersonal skills are the norm. They seem to be reading from some obscure script, which changes either with their own whims or the whims of the script writers. Superficial interest in children as they relate to test score numbers has won over the education of human beings.

  • 156. MomCindy  |  June 2, 2012 at 11:12 am

    @ 155 Did the principals leave, forced out? Retire? Find another school? I thought that principal contracts were for four year?

  • 157. MomCindy  |  June 2, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Part 2
    My Kid’s school’s principal is very driven by her “Bosses” a lot that is mandated is dictated by cps, not the principal. Like a good employee, she is following mandates. It was hard for me and other parents to believe the first few years she was at the school. Finally after numerous meetings with the PTA and room moms the principal just started actually showing us the memos, emails, and officials dictates from downtown regarding the school and procedures that had to be followed.

    This stopped most of the parents’ anger towards the principal. We are now focused more on changing the system, not the principal.

  • 158. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    CPS offer to CTU

    Rahm wants a longer day, but can’t pay for it…so that mean larger classes, layoff of teachers and cut programs!

  • 159. CPS Parent  |  June 2, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    @153 LSC former member – Given your experience I can see why CPS has to make the requirements for the eligibility list rigorous. No matter how whimsical the hiring decision at least the candidate is highly qualified.

    The downside to this approach is that the pool of applicants is small since the number of potentially good candidates who are willing to go through the process without any immediate benefit will be small. Perhaps CPS should offer compensation/reward for qualifying for the list.

  • 160. Angie  |  June 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    @158. SoxSideIrish4: I don’t see anything wrong with that proposal. The more CTU fights the merit pay, the more I think that the union leadership *knows* that many of the teachers are not good enough to pass the evaluation.

  • 161. Katy  |  June 2, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    @160, oh boy……u again!?!?

  • 162. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 2, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    #160. Angie… CPS wants to giv them a 2% raise for 5years and working 20% longer…also they want to take out the class size clause in the contract and then they can ADD more kids…INSANE! Either rahm will come to his senses and do what he should now or they’ll be a strike…obama already told him he doesnt want a strike and ppl in CPS are not talking to each other…I think /Winkler w/be the nrxt fired.

  • 163. Katy  |  June 2, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    It is funny, if asked many LSC claim there areno good candidates, yet hundreds don’t make the principal eligibility list…where is the disconnect? Is the LSC under trained? Do they even know what to look for? In most professions the hiring committee is made up of other professionals, i.e, lawyers interview other lawyers to work in law firms, etc. not so with the LSC and principal hiring. No one on the LSC is a principal, and most (excluding the two teachers) are not in the educational field. Could this be the problem?

  • 164. cpsobsessed  |  June 2, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    That is a great question, Katy.
    Clearly we need access to all those resumes so we can figure it out. 🙂

    I’ve heard from an LSC member a couple years ago about poor writing as an issue.

    At the Lake View HS school forum, one candidate was smart and vivacious but had very little experience in schools at all. High risk (potentially high reward) but I can see where on paper he might not have looked like a strong candidate. Can teachers go onto the list without having AP experience? That could look less than ideal, I suppose.

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  • 165. Hazel  |  June 2, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Went to theLSC public forum at my school and it was embarrassing! The questions asked were so small scale and focused on individual kids and issues it was embarrassing. You could just see it in the potential principals’ faces. Definately a lack of knowledge from the LSC. Even the questions were poor. In the burbs the trained superteinent or assistant supt does the final interviews and hiring. Very professional.

  • 166. Frank Thompson  |  June 2, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    @angie- no teacher is scared of merit pay. Teachers know merit pay does not work. Study after study and school after school point to a failure in implementing merit pay. In buisness it makes sense because your customer wants/ needs your products or services. And they generally come to you for service. In education your consumer (the students) do not want your product, so integrating a buisness model of pay into an area that that does not function like a buiness is idiotic at best. And what incentive do teachers have to further education with this pay scale? There is none. In fact, I’ll tell you the aim of this proposal. The aim is to turn education into a short term career for recent grads to make 30-40,000 a year while essentially giving cheap child care for the city without a cost burden on the tax payer. Sadly, the best teachers are the ones with 5 years or more in, and that is a documented fact. You want good schools, look at the CTU proposal. Otherwise, back the mayor and have fun paying private schools for quality education.

    btw- all of you parents that say “I love my kids teacher but hate the CTU” know this: all of us teachers are CTU and all of us will stand strong to protect our profession and the integrity of the work we do. That is why we have the CTU.

  • 167. cpsobsessed  |  June 2, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    @Frank: what do you mean by “failure” in merit pay? What is the documented failure you refer to?
    It is proven to fail in what way?

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  • 168. Hazel  |  June 2, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    @164, yes. If a teacher has a masters in Ed leadership, completed the one year admin internship, and passed the Illinois license exam…they are considered qualified to then apply for CPS eligibility list. However, if you look at step one of the cps process (the 10 page essays and application) without leadership experience it is hard to pass the first stage because it asks you about specific leadership experiences. After the first stage there is a total of five hours of personal interviews in teams of 2-3 to become eligible. All of the interviewers are retired principals and/or area officers. So it becomes odd when an untrained LSC claim no one is good on the list…… As far as grammatical mistakes ( sometimes mistakes happen) I would not like a comma splice disqualify an applicant.

  • 169. Hazel  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Oops….I would not “let” a comma splice or missed period disqualify a principal applicant.

  • 170. Katy  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    @ former LSC MEMBER

    “Just because you popped out a kid (parent reps) does not mean you are qualified to determine the best leader for a school. Also, just because you live within the boundaries of the school does not make you qualified. There have to be real training and professionalism in this processes”

    Love this quote, could not agree more!!

  • 171. 10 year LSC member  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    @katy, you are correct most professions use other professionals to interview potential employees or they use trained HR professionals. THE principal search in CPS does not. This is a problem. I am not saying do away with the LSC but it would not hurt to add two retired principals to the LSC during the interview and hiring process.

  • 172. Angie  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    @162. SoxSideIrish4: first of all, they will be working only 30 minutes longer. Duty-free lunch that is moved from the end of the day to the middle is not work. And second, after the first year, CPS is proposing a differentiated pay system where the raise has to be earned. This may be a novel concept for people who are used to getting automatic raises, but that’s how most of the world works.

    Also, the union claims about the class size and a lot of other stuff are not true. See the CPS explanation here:

  • 173. cps mom  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Angie, Are you Rham?

  • 174. Angie  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    @166. Frank Thompson: “Study after study and school after school point to a failure in implementing merit pay.”

    Please link to the independent studies showing this.

    “And what incentive do teachers have to further education with this pay scale? There is none.”

    The incentive is to get better at their job, which would, in turn, earn them a pay increase. They could also use it to get a position teaching a more difficult subject which will in turn bring a bigger raise. Once again, that’s how most of the world works.

    Also, working for 5 or more years, by itself, does not produce the better teachers. While the good teachers will get better with experience, the bad ones will slack off even more when they are protected by tenure and seniority, and have no incentive to get better.

  • 175. HS Mom  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    @144 – “There is no money? Or money is divided and spent to keep the lower class stay the lower class?”

    Could you explain this further? School funding is allocated in a way that keeps the “lower” class down? Don’t understand this.

    As far as funding for extended day and principal bonuses, it does seem that private companies are willing to fund CPS reform. OK, here’s one more thing I don’t understand, Charters are blasted because they take advantage of private funding and implement new programs and have opportunities that CPS does not. Yet, CTU turns down the 35M granted to CPS for real reform.

    So, money granted to CPS for programs and reform should go to the 30% teacher salary increase?

    As far as $ per inmate vs $ per student. I’m not going to research what the deal is but I would expect the first to be higher, wouldn’t you?

  • 176. frank thompson  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Read this if you would like for an insightful article on merit pay. But I will answer your question with a few questions of my own:

    How do you value growth? Slenderized tests? What about kids who by nature do poorly on tests? And who writes the tests? What if you are a 5th grade teacher and get a kid reading at a 2nd grade level? And how do we know as a society that what the tests cover are important for our students to know? How do you pay merit pay to music/art/drama?

  • 177. frank thompson  |  June 2, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    “Bad teachers” should have been let go by their administration during their probationary years.

  • 178. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    #162~Angie~CPS has lied so much and much of their website is lies. I can’t believe how they have manipulated data and such. I will say this, when questioned on certain things, their website goes down for maintenance and when it comes back up…mysteriously things have disappeared.

    CPS want to take away the class size clause and insert a vague ‘whatever the bd says’ clause. I would not agree to it and I know many who will not. Rahm better get back to the table b4 he loses Obama the election.

    Also, more rumors are flying but looks like some1 will be fired.

  • 179. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Also read this abt Brizard:
    may be he’s the one getting fired…but I think it’s another woman.

  • 180. Frank Thompson  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    I’ll tell you one thing I know that isn’t in the cos website: they want to evaluate music/art/drama teachers not on their merits but by the average literacy growth scores. Angie, at least in the corporate world you have a say over your own compensation. In CPS world, unless you teach reading or math you don’t.

    And what do you mean teach more difficult subjects? So we want all the smart teacher teaching physics but the dumb ones teaching first grade? Yeah that makes sense.

  • 181. Angie  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    @176. frank thompson: Thanks for the link. So only 1 out of 4 authors says that the merit pay won’t work, period, while the others explain why it may not have worked before, or how to make it better. That’s a start.

    “What if you are a 5th grade teacher and get a kid reading at a 2nd grade level? ”

    You improve their reading as best as you can, and your value-added scores will reflect that.

    “How do you pay merit pay to music/art/drama?”

    They will be evaluated on the school-wide scores, which will add a little peer pressure to the necessity of removing the bad teachers from the classrooms. That’s not such a bad thing.

    ““Bad teachers” should have been let go by their administration during their probationary years.”

    And if they weren’t, for whatever reason, does that mean that the school system is stuck with them forever? It shouldn’t be so ridiculously difficult to fire a bad teacher. The current procedures benefit no one, except the bad teachers themselves, and the union collecting their dues.

  • 182. Frank Thompson  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Oh so you want to get rid of
    Music/art/drama? Because if what they do has no measurable value then why have them. Why don’t you go work selling cars but get paid by how clean the cars look when they are washed and see how that works for you.

  • 183. Angie  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    @178. SoxSideIrish4 : The only way to find out which side lies is to make both proposals *in their entirety* available to the public, or at least to the teachers who are directly affected by them. Why hasn’t this been done?

    180. Frank Thompson: “And what do you mean teach more difficult subjects? So we want all the smart teacher teaching physics but the dumb ones teaching first grade? Yeah that makes sense.”

    No, actually we want the dumb ones out of the classroom altogether. But if teaching physics, or working with completely unprepared low-income kindergarteners is more difficult, why shouldn’t we reward teachers for it?

  • 184. Angie  |  June 2, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    @182. Frank Thompson: Test scores are only a part of music and drama teachers’ evaluation, so no one is getting rid of them. But they could help us get rid of the bad teachers.

    ” Why don’t you go work selling cars but get paid by how clean the cars look when they are washed and see how that works for you.”

    Why don’t you try selling filthy cars and see how that works for you? If the car washer is not doing his job, everyone in the dealership suffers, so wouldn’t it make sense to get him to improve or show him the door?

  • 185. Frank Thompson  |  June 2, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    How can you tell if a music or drama teacher is a bad teacher when you are evaluating them on something they are not responsible for teaching? If you want music and drama teachers to teach reading, they are no longer doing their job.

    And if you pay more to the physics teacher than the first grade teacher you are by definition devaluing the first grade teacher.

    And in my analogy of course the car washers lose their job if they are not washing the car, just as bad teachers are fired ( tenure or not) for not doing their job. The saying that they can’t be fired is a myth because I have witnessed it.

    How many car washer get commission from the car salesmen? None because that isn’t their job, just like its not the job of a
    Music teacher to teach reading.

    Education is not a buisness. And until you understand that you will continue to be clueless.

  • 186. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 2, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    #183~Angie~SB7 dictates that CTU can’t bring up anything that CPS doesn’t bring up at the table and Rahm is not bringing anything up. Angie, this has been in the paper, I’m surprised you aren’t aware of this. CTU has made it clear on their website and CPS has distorted the truth abt the class size clause.

  • 187. cps mom  |  June 2, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    It is interesting that the principal vacancy at Burley elementary school only received 21 resumes. This confirms the shortage that many people mentioned. It is odd, in the burbs you hear of hundreds competing for one vacancy.

  • 188. cps mom  |  June 2, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Burley’ s AP ended up with the job.

  • 189. cps mom  |  June 2, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    I really hate to be offensive BUT jeez Angie give it a rest!! This is not the Howard Stern blog…….

  • 190. disbelieving  |  June 3, 2012 at 6:49 am

    The inane residency requirement is affecting the quantity and quality of administrators and teachers who apply or choose to stay in CPS.

    We have a teacher who uses a George Foremen grill in her classroom during her prep time because she needs to eat steak and hamburgers. No need to think about the delicious aroma her students inhale upon their return. Some of them may not have eaten since the free lunch was issued the previous day. The principal did not write her up, she is now principal at a south side school and four fellow teachers thought enough of her to follow her to her new school. The mindset is unexplainable. The children deserve better.

  • 191. Shortage  |  June 3, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Kelly High School only had 12 principal applicants, two of them from within the building. Talk about slim pickings on the principal eligibility list! Kelly is a very stable, non-probation school with respectful students and an outstanding staff – a real gem among neighborhood schools. I can’t imagine trying to find a top notch principal for a struggling school.

    Though the teachers at Kelly nearly universally hope for the selection of a respected current Assistant Principal, there is a very real and damaging shortage of quality administrators in Chicago.

  • 192. Mom2  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:02 am

    I think there used to be a good balance of opinions on this site, but lately, there has been a real push that is very pro ctu. Several people that keep bringing up names of people and groups related to the education industry and accusing others with opposite opinions of being from those groups or even Rahm himself. I, for one, am glad to read Angie’s posts. Don’t stop.

  • 193. Quiet cps mom  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:10 am

    @192, wow talk about perception beling reality. I would have made the opposite comment. The site seems VERY anti-teacher, anti-union. In fact if you read the last two threads most of the comments and even books being suggested to be read (book club) tends towards the anti-union. I would have swore this was a pro charter/anti public school site if I had not read the cps obsessed blurb on her background. Can’t really tell that most of the commenters like the public schools or the teachers, except maybe the few parents lucky to get into “good…SEHS…schools”

  • 194. 8th grade mom  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I think there should be merit pay, but based on a good, well rounded teacher evaluation system, not just test scores. The Gates Foundation funded a teacher evaluation program in Hillsborough County, FL, that involved classroom observations by peers (several observations at different times) and ranking them on several skills, such as curriculum development, classroom management, etc. The evaluators talk to the kids, too. It is possible to set objective standards for performance, but it takes alot of work and commitment. If such an evaluation were implemented, teachers who score high should be rewarded, and teachers who have low scores should be offered additional training.

  • 195. LR  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:18 am

    I believe the residency requirement affects the small number of candidates, but I don’t think that is the whole story. Honestly, if I had the qualifications to be a school principal, I don’t think I would be looking in CPS right now. The entire CPS situation is dismal and just seems to be continuously deteriorating. The finances are in shambles. Thanks to SB7, Rahm and Brizard have pretty much declared war with the teachers. It’s the same thing that is prompting so many Principals and teachers to retire this year. It’s just a rough climate and the prospects are not good. We did a Principal search at our Catholic school this year and had a healthy pool of candidates for a job that pays half as much, so I think it has something to do with CPS.

  • 196. parent  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:18 am

    @189 I like Angie’s posts too and am happy for her persistence. She speaks out to many. This site is not single sided and I would encourage more people to speak up.

  • 197. Quiet cps mom  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Personally.. My belief is that this is a contract issue, not a bad teacher/good teacher issue. Most of us do what is necessary to get the raise and working conditions we think we deserve. Teachers should be allowed the same right. I personally think both sides need to mediate this out of the sight of the media
    but I do not blame the teachers for fighting for what they think is fair. How can I, when every year I do the same thing at my annual job review? It is hypocritical if I blame them (we all do this with our bosses). Furthermore, the statement that “we pay their salaries” ignores the fact that they also contribute to their own salary, living, working, eating, owning homes in Chicago. Their spouses, kids, partners, parents, cousins, aunts, etc. etc..also contribute SO my point is as cps parents it rings false if we only look at our contribution as taxpayers. They and their families are just as valuable to chicago’s taxes as we are.

    Finally, if I am being honest. I don’t want a strike because I am honest to admit, child care SUCKS…but this is my problem and I am not going to bash teachers for causing me an inconveience. if a strike happens CPS has a right to extend the school year so anyone yelling that kids miss days, well they will make them up in June/July…

  • 198. OutsideLookingIn  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:28 am

    @192 – I agree with you. The repetitive talking points, excessive exclamation points, unfounded rumors, mean-spirited accusations and inflammatory conspiracy theories are tiresome.

  • 199. Hazel  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:28 am

    @193, I thought the same things when I saw the books discussed on the other thread (pro charter/anti public schools and teachers).

    @197. Yep, my sister and mom are CTU teachers and have lived in Chicago all their lives, paying a HEAFTY amount of taxes and contributing to the financial pot o money. Teachers are tax payers too.

  • 200. Teacher  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:33 am

    I guess it is okay to bash teachers but when a comment gets a reaction then it is mean spirited?

    Quote from Angie “many of the teachers (cps) are not good enough to pass the evaluation”

    This seems pretty mean spirited to me, but then what do I know? I am just a 23 year veteran cps teacher.

  • 201. Parent and CPS Employee  |  June 3, 2012 at 9:58 am

    @192 and @198 — I did a quick tally of pro-teacher/union and anti-union/teacher posts of just this thread (what can I say, the kids are napping and I’m bored) and came up with 21 anti-union/teacher and 20 pro-union/teacher. Pretty evenly matched.

    There is no good guy in this fight, if you ask me, and I’m a member of the teacher’s union. Both sides have glaring errors in reasoning and are stubbornly holding on to things they should clearly compromise on. I’m not happy to be stuck in the middle. Anyone who sees this as one side clearly being right on all counts has either not done enough research or is anti-union just for the sake of being anti-union OR pro-union for the sake of being pro-union.

  • 202. HS Mom  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:01 am

    @193 – Maybe you should take a second look at “the book club” suggestion, a book by Diane Ravitch recommended by teachers.

    “I would have swore this was a pro charter/anti public school site”

    The thread you refer to is about charters, so yes there was plenty pro and anti charter talk. Are you aware (like it or not) that charters are in fact CPS public schools, same Chicago public school kids, teacher and staff? It would be impossible to be pro charter and anti public school.

    I agree with 192 – the balance of good opinions and ideas has drifted to “point, counterpoint” creating a pro and anti CTU mentality when in fact most people are somewhere in between looking for a solutions that are reasonable for all parties involved – familes, teachers and admin.

    @189 – I enjoy hearing from Angie and many others on this site on both sides of the fence. I’ve seen discussion turn emotional, argumentative and to comradery and community. You can disagree or stop reading/writing but you can’t shut anyone out.

  • 203. annon  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:08 am

    @202, So?

  • 204. annon2  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:12 am

    @ HS mom/202, I think that was her point…perception is reality.

    193’s perception is this is a anti union site, while the other post perception is a pro union site. Her point was valid. Rehashing what she posted goes along with what she said. Everyone has an opinion and perception of the comments.

  • 205. annon2  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:13 am

    I enjoy Angie, she’s kooky. 🙂

  • 206. HS Mom  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:26 am

    @204 – true, I understand the perception. I also think it’s an important distinction, based upon the point made, that “pro-charter” is not “anti public schools”.

  • 207. Cindy  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Ooohh…I disagree. Pro charter is anti public school. My opinion, my perception.

  • 208. Ci  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:35 am

    If you listen to the charter rhetoric it is all about how publi schools have failed kids and therefore they (charters) are “better”, etc.

  • 209. Sped Mom  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:53 am

    AT DIST299 BLOG (important enough to post)
    Rodestvan said 3 hours, 55 minutes ago

    When you sit back and read the totality of these posts in this [at dist299 blog] thread it is overwhelming. As I have said so many times the bill now known as SB7, which is now state law has brought about this impasse and trapped both CPS and the CTU. I saw one post that got directly to that issue and I appreciated it. I thought the way at least several CTU members on this blog addressed the question of differentiated pay presumed that the CPS’s proposal to open up this issue would equal complete destruction of the step and lane system I thank that assumes too much.

    The position by CPS is their starting bargaining position; other school districts have done the same thing. The end result has been the introduction of elements of both a seniority/educational achievement based system and what CPS calls a differentiated pay system.

    I am totally opposed to paying teachers more for value added gains, it will lead to disaster and corruption. It will be in particular a disaster for students with IEPs educated in general education classrooms, because most teachers would spend their time and effort on those students most likely to show gains rapidly and these will not be students with disabilities unfortunately. It is exactly like a corporate CEO that goes for quarterly profit increases to hit markers in his or her own contract to the long term detriment of the company that we have seen over and over again in our country.

    There are other aspects of differentiated pay that may benefit both teachers and students. For example, teachers who hold both general and special education certificates who are willing to teach on both certificates simultaneously should be allowed to do so and paid more for it. Currently state rules prohibit this practice. Similarly teachers who are also reading specialist should be able to be implement more specialized reading recovery instruction simultaneously with general education instruction and be paid more for that work. These are the type of issues that are in my opinion legitimate areas of discussion in relation to differentiated pay.

    On another issue relating to the strike authorization vote, my reading of the CTU constitution is that the actual final strike vote would have to be conducted by the House of Delegates. There is nothing in the Constitution that would prohibit that body from calling for yet another full membership vote on carrying out a strike. I would defer to the judgment of the CTU delegates that inhabit this blog on this issue, as I do not claim to be an expert in this area.


  • 210. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 3, 2012 at 11:50 am

    #193~I have a child at a neighborhood school and the teachers are fantastic. I can understand how it may look like only Selective schools are being talked abt bc I think many on this blog may have Selective school children. I feel very fortunate we have such a good neighborhood school, doesn’t CPS want ppl to say that abt every CPS school?

    #297~I agree w/you. I believe all neighborhood schools should be funded in instead of starved for funds that go to charters.

  • 211. CPS Parent  |  June 3, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    @164. cpsobsessed Was just reading back – the principal who was hired for Payton last year did not have any AP experience. He was a department chair and teacher at NSCP. He has continued to teach one history class at Payton (this may be unique at CPS) and is doing an all around fabulous job.

  • 212. Cindy  |  June 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    I never saw why some people get hung up on hiring principals with “experience”. There are many fabulous APs, deans, heads of departments and most importantly teachers who will make wonderful principals if given the chance.

  • 213. Lasalle II parent  |  June 3, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Sped Mom,

    Rod Estvan is always spot on. He is always a voice of reason.
    These idiots at CPS with the merit pay are so off the mark. It seems like cps thinks of teachers as production line workers. The more hambugers they churn out all the better for the big bosses so they can have something to show for the idiotic policies.

    Cps sure does have a lot of wasted money to throw around when they want to :from Merit pay, Principal signing bonus and the cash they threw at the pioneer schools.

  • 214. Improve principal competence  |  June 3, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    There are two exemplary teachers at my school who have their Type 75s but will never become principals in Chicago because they would lose their residency exemption. One is a female teacher, divorced, who lives in the south suburbs near her family so they can help her with child care. Another is male, with a family of four, who would not uproot his family to sign a contract that may or may not be renewed in four years. Both teachers are administrative material but both are staying in the classroom due to the ridiculous residency requirement.

    I have never in all my years of teaching heard such horrible stories of abusive, mentally ill type administrators as I have in the past 8-10 years. Where is the quality, competence and just plain common sense?

  • 215. Questioner  |  June 3, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    @214 – do you know what the criteria are for a CPS teacher being granted a residency exemption?

  • 216. CPSTEACHER4321  |  June 3, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    @202 HS Mom
    “Are you aware (like it or not) that charters are in fact CPS public schools, same Chicago public school kids, teacher and staff? It would be impossible to be pro charter and anti public school.”

    Charters are paid for partially through funds for public schools yes. The kids are kids who are eligible to attend a CPS school, but they are NOT CPS kids. The teachers certainly are not CPS teachers. At one point they had some CPS support staff (Speech, OT etc), but that was changed last year.

    Last I knew residency exceptions were for high needs areas, Bilingual (certain languages), Special Education, PE and Math and Science.

  • 217. CPSTEACHER4321  |  June 3, 2012 at 4:26 pm

  • 218. Ex charter mom  |  June 3, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    HS mom,
    charters are public schools in name only. Been there, done that, never doing that again!

  • 219. HS Mom  |  June 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    I did not intend to start a charter thread, there is already one with many views pro/con so I’ll be brief. Charters are Chicago Public Schools and just because someone is “pro charter” does not mean they are “anti-public school”.

    @218 sorry you had a bad experience.

  • 220. Katy  |  June 3, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    I believe we were talking about principal vacancies, principal hirings? Right?

  • 221. CPSTEACHER4321  |  June 3, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    “Public schools open to all Chicago children. Charters are approved by the Board of Education but operate independently from the Board and each other.”

  • 222. justanotherteacher  |  June 3, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Being both a parent of children in CPS and a teacher can be like walking a tightrope sometimes. The teacher part is at the breaking point. In the last ten years or so, I have had a ring side seat to watch the profession of teaching be denigrated, devalued, and held in complete contempt by my employer and now it seems to have spread to parents and the general population. I have seen schools that do poorly “turned around” with injections of millions of dollars and still do poorly until they manage to ‘turn around” the type of students they serve. The ones that aren’t bringing up those scores or have sped needs somehow manage to find their way back to a neighborhood school and are now sitting in my classroom. I have spent over 20 years as a teacher and have always been proud of what I do. I am angry, frustrated, and most of all, I am extremely hurt. Yes, I know I shouldn’t, but I take the attacks that appear in the press, blogs, etc. that belittle what I do personally. What really upsets me is when my children who don’t truly understand all of what is happening and can’t understand why someone would say those things about their mom. I’m sure I am not the only teacher that feels this way. I am fearful of what will happen not only to me as an older, experienced teacher, but public education as well. The people who are calling the shots in education policy these days are not educators, they are politicians and business people and anyone else who can figure out a way to make a buck. The only people that seem to be left out are the teachers, you know the people that actually work with the students. The so-called reformers will create havoc in a system that is already fragile, and I guarantee, when it doesn’t pay off for them, they will walk away. Guess who will be left picking up the pieces – that’s right the lousy, greedy teachers. So, yes, when Wednesday comes rolling around, I will vote yes on the strike authorization. I owe it to myself, every other teacher who has been held up as a scapegoat, and the children, my own and the ones that I teach, to make sure someone is on their side.

  • 223. SoxSideIrish4  |  June 3, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    #222~justanotherteacher~stay strong…you sound like a wonderful mom and gr8 teacher!

  • 224. mom2  |  June 4, 2012 at 8:56 am

    For those teachers that plan to vote yes on the strike authorization, can you please explain what you are voting for? Does this just authorize Karen Lewis to decide for you if the final offer is good enough for you? Is it something else? I’m very confused on how someone can vote to strike when they don’t have an offer.

    Also, what is it exactly that you do want from CPS and how will a strike give you that? I’m not trying to be anything other than curious, but I need specifics on what you want as an offer from CPS.

    It seems so much that what teachers really want is respect and they feel they aren’t getting that. I have no idea how striking and keeping kids out of school is going to achieve that. (Money does not equal respect).

    By the way, @222, you sound like a wonderful mom and teacher and you certainly should not feel that a comment, from one or more parents about a bad teacher that one of their kids may have had, would have anything at all to do with you. Most teachers are fabulous and caring and hard working and most parents love and respect them. It really is only about the few “bad-eggs” when a parent makes a comment like that.

  • 225. CPS Parent  |  June 4, 2012 at 9:42 am

    @224. mom2 The reason why the CTU is doing the strike vote ahead of a final offer is twofold I believe.

    1). Once school is out it will be much harder for reach the 75% threshold needed for a strike since teachers will have to make a trip to a polling place instead of their schools. Communication could also be more difficult since the school based representatives will no longer have daily contact with their members.

    2). New hires who will be starting through the summer will not likely vote for the strike since they are eager to start working and have emotionally accepted the terms currently on the table. In addition the retiring teachers will probably be unable to vote after June 30th (I’m not sure about the cut-off date)

    Getting to 75% (Not of those who vote, it has to be 75% of the total membership regardless of whether they vote, not voting is a “no strike” vote) is very difficult as it is, waiting longer will pretty much make it impossible.

    Some of the aspects of SB7 is contrary to what most of us consider fair practices in a representative democracy. In my opinion the strike vote should be a simple or two thirds majority.

    I am not a teacher, so teachers, please weigh in.

  • 226. Mom23  |  June 4, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Good teachers are fantastic and should feel respected. The problem is your union. The CTU protects the lowest common denominator teacher. This reflects poorly on all teachers because the ctu is fighting to protect the worst teachers in the system. As a parent, I want the bad teachers gone and the ctu does nothing but fight to protect them and keep them in the classroom with my children. Sorry, but I have no respect for bad teachers and my child has been subject to horrid examples and the ctu stormed in to protect.

    @222, you should feel good about being a good teacher. Thank you for all you do. I do wish the good teachers would stand up to their union. The ctu is the one who has chipped away at the teaching profession year after year. They do not allow you to be treated as professionals and fight for you as a factory worker. This is really the fight for the good teachers and until you make this stand, the tone and mood of the public will not change. If teachers vote to strike, I am sorry to say, but that will further the ill feelings toward the ctu and teachers. You sound like one of the good ones, but I just don’t see how voting to strike will help you feeling respected. It sounds like it will make you feel better, which may be worth it to you.

  • 227. Mom23  |  June 4, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Just reading back now. LOVE Angie and appreciate her consistent insight. Don’t stop!

    Asking teachers to be held accountable (on a well rounded metric, not just test scores) is not teacher bashing. It is treating teachers as professionals.

    Agree that being pro-charter does not mean anti-public school. IMO, the ctu has the ultimate power to eliminate the need for charters. The reason charters have risen is because they have the flexibility to try new things and push the boundaries to improve the education of tough populations. If the ctu allowed aggressive efforts to improve the failing schools, then there would not be as much of a need for charters. As it stands now, it takes a decade to get a school to the turn around stage. That is MORE than the entire elementary time for a student. This is why charters are appealing.

  • 228. LR  |  June 4, 2012 at 10:37 am

    @222: I’m with you – you have every reason to be angry. Based on the mock strike that we witnessed just a while ago, it seems as though the demands are primarily focused on being compensated for longer hours and more days. I got the sense that performance based compensation is taking a back seat at this point, but I could be totally wrong about that. I think both sides know they are going in with ridiculous demands. There will be no 30% raise and by the same token there will be no 7 hour day and 10 extra days. In the end, it seems fair that we get what we can afford. If a 2% raise is what CPS offers, I think a fair deal would be a 6.5 hour day. This is what we have at our school. Our teachers extended our day several years ago without the benefit of extra compensation. It seems fair that all CPS teachers should work the same day as our teachers work and all CPS students should have the benefit of the same length of day as our students have. Regarding the 10 extra days, yes, it’s excessive. If it were up to me, I would love to see one week sliced off at the end of the year. Everyone I know who has kids outside of CPS (city or suburban) is off this week. They should stop the B.S. of the day off then one-hour of school. I don’t think I’m the only one who is irritated by that. Plus, any time after Memorial Day is just a waste to me. My kids are SO unfocused right now it is not even funny. So, whether there is 2 or 3 weeks of school after Memorial Day, is really inconsequential. Those days would be more productive days in November or February, but June school days are a waste of time. Whatever happens, I hope teachers and CPS can come to an agreement quickly.

  • 229. mom2  |  June 4, 2012 at 10:40 am

    @225 – I think you are right about why they want to vote now, but it doesn’t explain what they are voting for or against or how striking will help them achieve whatever that is. And if what they are really voting over is the fact that they don’t like SB7, that isn’t clear and doesn’t make sense.

  • 230. mom2  |  June 4, 2012 at 10:43 am

    @228 – I like a lot of what you just said – especially about snipping off one week in June and replacing that one in November or February. That would be great and wouldn’t add time to the teacher’s day, so they wouldn’t feel they needed more money.

  • 231. Mom23  |  June 4, 2012 at 10:50 am

    @225 But, what the heck are the teachers voting for? They do not even know what the offer is until mid July? I can see that logistically it is easier for the union rep to “influence” their members during the school year, but it sounds like there are all kinds of ways the ctu can conduct a vote, so logistics is not the main reason. It seems the main reason is to get the retiring teachers who are more staunch union supporters to vote before they retire. Again, what the heck are they voting for? Also, probably a bully negotiation tactic of the ctu to say they can strike at any moment. This can really backfire on the teachers if they vote to strike and then the ctu turns down a reasonable offer! Which is likely given that they say no to everything.

    @228, I want the 7 hour day. Teachers are already paid for 7 hours and I want that to go to my kids. I personally really like the new school year calendar that adds the 10 days and eliminates the useless days off.

    @229 Agree, it just doesn’t make sense.

  • 232. CPS Parent  |  June 4, 2012 at 10:52 am

    @229. mom2 This may help to explain – If the “strike vote” is held now there is some possibility that they will reach 75%. This does not mean that there will be a strike though since the CTU legislative body made up from delegates from each school still has to set a strike date. If they don’t set a date – no strike. They do, now, however have a real threat on the bargaining table waiting to be used pending the final terms offered.

    It is kludged way to operate forced by an undemocratic requirement that doesn’t serve anybody well.

  • 233. mom2  |  June 4, 2012 at 11:01 am

    CPS parent, do you think any teacher fears giving that sort of power to the union to make such a major decision for them? I’d be concerned (especially given how volatile Karen Lewis has been – and she makes plenty of money so that won’t be her personal concern) and would much rather wait to decide if I want to strike once I know the offer on the table.

  • 234. junior  |  June 4, 2012 at 11:25 am


    I felt the same way as @224 when I read your post. I understand the desire for respect, but I what I didn’t get was how that desire leads you to the conclusion that you should vote ‘yes’ for a strike. Does respect = money?

    I have to agree with Mom 23 (@226). Teaching is a good, honorable profession that generally attracts committed professionals. If you continue to let a union go out there standing up for the lowest common denominator — to the detriment of the students whom you care so much about — then that erodes the respect for all. A strike does not increase respect because ultimately it hurts the kids and antagonizes more of your constituency.

    I respect your right to negotiate, and the threat of a strike is an important part of that process that most people understand. However, an *actual* strike in this type of fiscal environment and terrible economy is not going to do anything but increase ill-will toward the profession, not save it.

    Calculate what you get in terms of pay, benefits, pension, time off, and job security. Compare that objectively to what actual average Americans are get, and I think that you will find that you are well compensated. I’m sure the vast majority of teachers deserve it.

    I understand that you don’t want to see your standard of living and work benefits eroded — but that’s what has happened to most every worker in America. So, while a rising tide lifts all boats, the counter is also true — a falling economic tide lowers everyone’s standard of living. It’s impossible to have continuing compensation increases when the tax base that supports you has crumbled, and politicians have kicked the debt can as far down the road as it will go. Are most other workers earning less for more time? You bet they are.

    What do I suggest? Your union needs to bend so that it doesn’t break. Behave more like the Wisconsin teachers and emphasize shared goals and shared sacrifice. (They have gained respect, and even if they don’t succeed in recalling the governor, the fact that they are so close is testimony to that). Where is the flexibility on longer day (which only asks you to move your lunch to the middle of the day and add an extra half hour), teacher evaluations/tenure (which, let’s face it, will only seriously impact the very worst of teachers), etc.? So far, all we have seen your union say is no, no, no. (And by costing CPS another $35 million in returned grant money, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.)

    I was surprised to see the City pushing to get charter schools to 25%. That’s a huge jump and something I’m somewhat concerned about. However, my guess is that if the union continues to be inflexible, then the City will continue to sidestep them and erode union power. Frankly, if the citizens of Chicago keep up the demand for charters and if the charters perform comparably to CPS schools, then why wouldn’t the City opt for the cheaper alternative when it is in dire financial straits?

    Please don’t tell keep repeating that there is plenty of money if you haven’t looked closely at the city and state finances. Just because you can find some spending here and there that you don’t agree with, doesn’t mean that you are entitled to that money. Where is the money that was cut for the mentally ill? Where is the money for the homeless and health care? Child protective services? Housing and foreclosure help? Police? Should we be closing prisons and opening casinos? Times are tough. Really, they are. Not kidding.

    I’d rather see the union start working more cooperatively with CPS than see a massive expansion of unproven charters. Bend, don’t break.

  • 235. CPS Parent  |  June 4, 2012 at 11:25 am

    @233 mom2 I don’t think teachers will approach the issue in that context. Many will not fully understand the “kludged” (as I call it) process either. Many will vote “yes” because of the strong emotions that are in play right now. Many feel “disrespected” for reasons that are not well understood to outsiders. There are many perceived threats – merit pay, differentiated pay, bonus pay, (the effects of which are not clearly articulated by CPS but mandated by SB7) the continuing encroachment by charters which are not unionized and which, generally offer lower compensation/benefits.

  • 236. Mom  |  June 4, 2012 at 11:34 am

    @234 Junior – Best.Post.Ever!

    Especially these parts:

    – I respect your right to negotiate, and the threat of a strike is an important part of that process that most people understand. However, an *actual* strike in this type of fiscal environment and terrible economy is not going to do anything but increase ill-will toward the profession, not save it.

    – Calculate what you get in terms of pay, benefits, pension, time off, and job security. Compare that objectively to what actual average Americans are get, and I think that you will find that you are well compensated. I’m sure the vast majority of teachers deserve it.

    – I understand that you don’t want to see your standard of living and work benefits eroded — but that’s what has happened to most every worker in America. So, while a rising tide lifts all boats, the counter is also true — a falling economic tide lowers everyone’s standard of living. It’s impossible to have continuing compensation increases when the tax base that supports you has crumbled, and politicians have kicked the debt can as far down the road as it will go. Are most other workers earning less for more time? You bet they are.

  • 237. Mom23  |  June 4, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Yes! @324 Junior. Well stated and agree best post ever!

    @235 This sounds very dangerous. Voting to strike, not knowing what you are truly voting about. Voting to strike based just on emotion? As a parent, I can’t respect that and it sounds like a child having a temper tantrum. It is not the fault of SB7 legislation. Not having a clear gameplan and understanding what you want is the problem, not a piece of legislation. That is a copout excuse to me. While the legislation changes the playing field, it is not an excuse to use my kids as a pawn and blindly vote to strike based on emotion. The strike will NOT earn respect.

  • 238. Frank Thomspon  |  June 4, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Wrong. The Union has not said “no” to reforms. The union published a research based manifesto on giving our students the schools they deserved. That has been said over and over again here. And yes, the union does say no, no, no to the board because, well, frankly Rahm spent the first 6 months of his mayorship insulting teachers and our collective work ethic. So screw him.

    A strike authorization vote will make the BOE come back to the table and negotiate over more than just compensation. No one knows what a strike will accomplish because there has net been one in 20 years.

  • 239. Frank Thomspon  |  June 4, 2012 at 11:52 am

    BTW- Teachers do not get paid for the summer. Our salery is decent for working 9.5 months a year, but there rare is the teacher that will ever make a 6 figure income. I’m not saying we should (although it would be nice) but when idiots trading stock all day make half a million a year and teachers have to fight for 65,000, there is a pretty serious problem.

  • 240. Frank Thomspon  |  June 4, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    @mom23 – We (the CTU, the teachers that teach your children) are not voting to strike out of emotion, we are voting to literally save education. Without a strike, your child’s school will be closed in the next 5-10 years unless it is a SES, and it will be closed in favor of a charter school that has 0 accountability to anybody, will likely be closed in three years and reopened under a new name, all the while hiring unskilled educators that will only do a diservice to the profession.

    We are voting to strike because we want our voices collectivly heard in education policy decisions.

    We are voting to strike so the school year isn’t made up of 30 standerized tests.

    If you thinkwe are voting to strike because of the very few crappy teachers out there, then you are quite mistaken.

    And for those that are upset because teaching as a profession is not mirroring your current career situation, my response is this. Your college had an education program, so if you think it is so great on this side of the grass, you should have signed up then. And also, we are fighting for what every worker in every profession should have: a decent wage, respect in your career, the ability to do what is right in your career without repercussions and a sense of stability in your job. If you don’t have that, I feel sorry for you. You should.

  • 241. cpsobsessed  |  June 4, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I started a new thread and moved today’s comments over there….
    sorry, thought it went up earlier this morning but it didn’t work properly. It is there now.

  • 242. Mom23  |  June 4, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Great news Frank, when you fully load in your guaranteed pension and corresponding health care benefits, you DO make a six figure salary! Starting teacher at $53K (including the health care benefit) actually makes $99,970 fully loaded with pension and discounted back at 2% NPV. A teacher retiring that makes $75K actually is making $163,178 anually. PLUS you get the summers off and the holidays, etc. I am fine with teachers earning this kind of benefit. What I am not fine with is that teachers are crying poor, when they are fairly compensated today. Those idots trading stock to make a lot, but they do not have a guaranteed job for life and defined benefits no matter what happens in the economy. Sorry, but teachers have a pretty good deal going.

  • 243. mom2  |  June 4, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Frank – So, what would CPS have to do for you to NOT vote to strike? You want to “Save Education” – so what does CPS have to offer to “Save Education” and if they don’t offer exactly that, you feel you must strike, right? You want your “voices collectively heard in education policy decisions.” So, what exactly must CPS offer in order for you to not vote to strike? You are fighting for “respect”, so what must CPS offer so you get respect? Please explain.

    P.S. – Most people in this city are not “idiots trading stock” and certainly don’t make anything close to a half a million dollars. Most with college degrees don’t even make what a large majority of Chicago teachers make. I know it is frustrating to think about people like that making all that money when we all have more education and work harder, but you really shouldn’t even think about it because they are a small minority of the population.

  • 244. mom2  |  June 4, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    sorry cpsobsessed, I didn’t see your post until now.

  • 245. Neil!  |  June 4, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    The Reavis principal vacancy posting should be done 06/04/12;

  • 246. NEIL!  |  June 4, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    If interested in the REAVIS ES. principal vacancy; you can probably send your resume to lSC chairman; the LSC cant make any offers until the candiatde profile is complete from OPPD and the 10 day application is complete, but again there is no harm in sending in the resume.

  • 247. Gwen  |  June 5, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    The Beaubien Math teacher is, I believe, going to Alcott next year as AP when the current Oriole Park Principal moves over there. He is a huge, huge loss to Beaubien. I’m stunned that they hired the current principal’s son as the AP there. If he’s good, then he should have gone to a different school where the nepotism issue (not to mention shaking the hideous, but warranted, reputation issue of his father) wouldn’t be attached to him, and if he’s not good, then shame on Beaubien for hiring him. Hideous news.

  • 248. Gwen  |  June 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    And I hope that the teachers vote yes to strike. Add me to the pro CTU column! And no – if you understand how Charters work – you really can’t be both pro charter and pro public schools – sorry – if you think you can be for both then I’m afraid you understand neither.

  • 249. cpsobsessed  |  June 5, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    I understand charters and public schools and I support both.
    Why on earth would it have to be only one or the other?
    We should offer one way of doing things to every kid in this giant system?

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  • 250. 4th/8th grade cps mom  |  June 5, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I am wondering if anyone attended the Amundsen principal candidate forum tonight? I really wanted to but too many other events going on at the same time. My daughter is entering as a freshman next year. BTW we are going to the IB orientation Saturday so will post our experience sometime afterwards — but everything so far with the school has been positive!

  • 251. Anon  |  June 5, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    I stopped in for the forum a little bit ago. It was the ap (Brian Rogers) against a woman named Anna Pavichevich from Kelvyn Park. Rogers was the crowd favorite and was a fiery and dynamic speaker but I’m not sure who the LSC chose. They went into closed session with Leslie Boozer the Network chief and I didn’t stick around to see who won.

  • 252. Katy  |  June 5, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Reavis vacancy ? Are you sure the LSC don’t have a principal in mind? This is usually the case.

  • 253. cpsobsessed  |  June 5, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    Wow, the Friends of Amundsen facebook page is reporting that brian rogers, the AP, did not get the position. I’m gonna try to confirm in the morning because it’s hard to believe. He had so many teachers speak in favor of him with specific examples of what he’s done for the school. I thought he sounded very good.

    The other candidate was strong as well and seemed very passionate. It would be a tough call. School experience versus “new blood.”

    The school is currently on academic probation and both of them spoke about the need to change things, to improve, strive for more.

    I’ll update when I find out for sure tomorrow.

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  • 254. Ravenswood Mom  |  June 6, 2012 at 8:56 am

    I’m curious to see if the Amundsen LSC makes any sort of statement about their choice. I was late to the forum, so didn’t see the candidate statements, but I did hear their responses to the questions. Clearly both candidates were passionate, well-spoken educators. The crowd seemed very pro-Rogers and he certainly had faculty support. That said, he’s been in a leadership position for a while and has to bear some responsibility for the dismal academic performance of the school. Perhaps the LSC took that into consideration when making their decision.

  • 255. cpsobsessed  |  June 6, 2012 at 9:01 am

    Amundsen selected the incumbant (Anna) over the current AP. Both made a very good impression. Tough choice. He really knows the school and has a great relationship with the staff. But it’s a sign that the LSC really supports making changes and getting some new ideas into the school.
    Brian was very on-board with the friends-of group and hopefully she will be as well.
    It seems like new principals always bring in new APs but it would be great if he stayed.
    I will say, the teachers there continue to impress me. Many spoke on behalf of Brian last night and they are a smart, well spoken group.

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  • 256. IB obsessed  |  June 6, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I’ve had the same experience with Senn, CPS OB, regarding being impressed by smart, well spoken teachers. Hidden gems in your local neighborhood HS.

  • 258. Future CPS Kinder Mom  |  June 6, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    Wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction. My sister in law is currently a science teacher in a suburban high school. She is also certified to teach ELL. She is considering leaving her suburban school to teach in CPS, if she can find the right position. She is looking for a position on the south side or in the downtown area. Possibly near west side as well, although I am not entirely sure about that. Can anyone tell me where she can find out about open high school science or ELL teaching positions for this coming fall? Also, if you know of a position in a specific high school I know she would love to hear about it. Thank you!

    Sorry that this is off topic. I wasn’t sure where to post exactly but thought this might be a good place being it involves CPS openings…..Also posted in Basics of CPS……

  • 259. Chris R.  |  June 7, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Would you give your personal trainer merit pay if you lost more weight than a friend who had the same trainer? I doubt it. This is the closest comparison to being a teacher. A personal trainer can individualize your exercise program, help you with your form, correct you when you make a mistake, encourage you, etc. but you may still lose more or less weight than the other people who receive the trainer’s services. Your weight lose will have something to do with the trainer but also has a lot to do with what you eat, how much sleep you get, how serious you take the training, if you practice on the weekends and even your genetics. These are the exact same factors which determine a students progress in school. Yes, of course the teacher influences student growth, but he or she cannot overcome all those other factors if they are negatively impacting the students ability to grow.

  • 260. cps mom  |  June 8, 2012 at 9:07 am

    @257..I have worked with the principal choice for Amundsen. She will be great. It seems they were left with good candidates to choose from. Hopefully, other schools will be just as lucky.

  • 261. Mia  |  June 11, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Just heard that the wondeful options coordinator/science teacher at Beaubien is also leaving (in addition to the exceptional math teacher) – she is taking the AP job at Edison. This leaves Beaubien with two of their best teachers leaving to be APs at other schools, while their current AP (soon to be Principal) hires the son of what has to be one of the worst principals ever to be the AP. Sorry – but that doesn’t look promising for Beabien . . .

  • 262. re: beaubien  |  June 12, 2012 at 6:18 am

    Agreed! It is so frustrating – the options program seems to be falling apart. The AP issue in particular seems like such a glaring ethical issue. Whether or not the current principal influenced or pressured her to hire his son, the appearance of nepotism alone should have prevented that hire. Is central office or regional administration not going to intervene in some way, and are parents going to push back? The upper grade options will have 25 – 30 vacancies next year- clearly parents are not satisfied w/ the program and are moving thier kids.

  • 263. Nicole  |  June 13, 2012 at 12:55 am

    @77 Your question about Dr. Delena Little. I know of her. I worked for a school in her area. She is vandictive and dishonest. She plays games and is not a fair leader. She actually had a teacher removed because the teacher did not like her friend. Very immature and unprofessional. She is also not up to date on the latest instructional strategies. Be careful in interviewing her!

  • 264. Mia  |  June 13, 2012 at 11:36 am

    #262 – I was at Beaubien yesterday for my daughter’s graduation. I spoke with many parents with children in lower options grades who were very unhappy that the best teachers are leaving and also with the Jr. Kotis hire. Every one of them said they were going to do everythign they could to get their kids out of there next year.

    A few of them said they actually had been feeling somewhat positive about the AP being hired for Principal but said this hire ruined her reputation with them – I think she will have a hard time recovering from this . . .

  • 265. James William  |  June 18, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Hernandez Middle School is looking for a principal….55th and St.Louis…. They need someone strong with a middle school mentality and background….New LSC just formed and are ready to hire. Great school and a beautiful new building with great teachers and students.

  • 266. Don Justice  |  June 18, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    As to Brian Rogers, I believe that he’ll replace Stephen Ngo as principal at World Language in Little Village. Ngo is going to Steinmetz. Thoughts?

  • 267. Don Justice  |  June 18, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    Future CPS Kinder Mom: If your sister-in-law comes to the CPS as a teacher, she is nuts. The way the CPS treats you is not worth the change.

  • 268. cpsobsessed  |  June 18, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    I was at the amundsen forum and boy, many teachers had great things to say about brian rogers. He has done a lot at amundsen and sounds like he’ll make a great principal. I met him a couple times and he was very straightforward and sincere.
    Loss as an AP at one school, gain for another….

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  • 269. Tchr  |  June 18, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    Extra money for being in a low income school? I wonder if it was spent on the 8 security guards our school has.

  • 270. kiki  |  June 19, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Just got a letter stating that Dr. Dushon Brown will no longer be principal at Brooks and that Harrison A Peters will be filling in until one is assigned. What is going on. They say there will be a meeting in the future for parents.

  • 271. Gunsaulus Parent  |  June 24, 2012 at 9:06 am

    I saw the comment from a Lasalle parent concerning Amy Kotz, principal of Gunsaulus. As a parent actually at Gunsaulus Academy, I can speak first hand and caution you not to hire this principal. Our LSC voted not to renew her contract, after only a 4 year term. She did not in fact retire as the other parent stated. She was driven out by a school community tired of her detrimental affect on our school.

    Under Amy Kotz’ reign, over 80% of the school teachers and staff were replaced. This includes staff that were proven leaders, well liked by the school community, and effective at their jobs. This includes a NBCT teacher. This includes golden apple nominees. She replaced the staff with those whose only qualification was the willingness to do anything that Amy Kotz desired, regardless of the effects on the students and curriculum.

    Under her reign, the PTO which had been in existence for almost 30 years was dismantled and replaced with nothing. Parents were shut out of school functions and were rarely able to speak with teachers. Beloved traditions were eliminated because they were not her ideas.

    Under her reign, test scores dropped. Under her reign, finances were not at all transparent. SHe printed blatant lies in the newsletter and on the website, fabricating events that never happened to make the school look active and cohesive.

    You do not have to take my word for any of this. If your school is considering her as a principal, then talk to the LSC. Talk to parents and the few long time teachers that are left at Gunsaulus. Google her name and find the blog that was active during the early days of her administration until it was shut down. She spoke well to us and interviewed well with us. We were fooled into hiring her, and permanently changing our school for the worse. Do a thorough vetting process and don’t believe only what she says. Look for empirical evidence that speaks to the type of administration that Amy Kotz was for Gunsaulus. And learn from our mistake.

  • 272. To Kiki  |  June 28, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Dr. Dushon Brown shows up on Kenwood Academy’s website as a Counselor.

  • 273. DaveMom  |  July 2, 2012 at 1:43 am

    The same principal vacancies have posted for at least a month. What’s up? Which schools are still looking? Which schools have not started? The new year technically starts today.

  • 274. southie  |  July 2, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Kellogg Elementary is losing a principal, Al Chaps, to retirement. The previous one, Zipporah Hightower, left in mid-year under a cloud, and Chaps eventually replaced her. She was a very poor principal. No wonder the morale was so low.

    From the local newspaper:

    Al “Chaps’ greatest achievements as principal, he said, were the restoration of the Synergistic Lab, his ongoing commitment to reducing class size, his support of the IB Middle Years Programme and the continual upgrade of the school facility.

    “Sue McLaughlin, a member of the committee that hired Chaps, said the school community was pleased with the advancements made under Chaps’ tenure, and knew from the beginning that he was a good fit for the school.

    “’In 2009 Al came in when teacher morale was at an alltime low, and Al’s leadership was just what they needed,” McLaughlin said in an email. “He would back his teachers and staff and he believed in them and let them do their job of teaching. His leadership styles are a reflection of how teachers collaboratively work together which makes a school work. As an example, my daughter’s eighth-grade class this year had a 100-percent graduation rate, meaning not one student out of 34 had to go to summer school in order to advance to high school, the first time in many years.’”

  • 275. DaveMom  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:47 am

    Has Kellogg starting looking?

  • 276. KHS  |  July 3, 2012 at 7:22 am

    I know this site doesn’t have much to do with neighborhood schools, especially heavily minority schools in poor neighborhoods not on the north side, but as part of the thread…

    Kelly High School has hired one of its outstanding APs, James Coughlin, as its new principal. He grew up in the neighborhood and has worked at the school for many, many years. The staff was very strongly in favor of his selection and the LSC vote was unanimous.

    Kelly is a very stable school and has the highest teacher retention rate of any high school in the city, surpassing even the magnets in this regard. Under the leadership of our just-retired principal the school got off probation and has received awards and recognition for its academic, IB, music, debate, law, chess, math, AVID and other programs.

    There were only 12 applicants for the job. We were expecting more since we are one the largest, most stable neighborhood high schools in the city.

    Other than the hiree the candidates were seriously underwhelming. CPS has got to find a way to hire more qualified, more experienced, more collaborative principals.

  • 277. IBobsessed  |  July 3, 2012 at 8:56 am

    KHS, you must not stop by much. There is actually alot of discussion about neighborhood schools on this blog. Many people here would like to be informed about the realities and issues of heavily minority schools in poor neighborhoods because we are interested in CPS as a whole. We can only post about what we know. That’s where you come in, keep posting, or will you post once and disappear?

  • 278. anniesullivan  |  July 3, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Kelly has made a wise choice in the selection of Jim Coughlin as principal. He spent many years teaching children with disabilities at Robeson and Englewood. I was in a masters program with him in the 80’s and one of the most touching stories he told was taking his students downtown on public transportation to eat at Beni-Hana’s as part of a lesson on social skills.
    This is exactly what CPS needs-experienced administrators who have spent years in the classrooms of Chicago not “three year” teachers who become principals.

  • 279. SoxSideIrish4  |  July 3, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Kellogg has a new principal…the AP from Cassell who is suppose to be fantastic!

  • 280. NEIL!  |  July 5, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    I heard Reavis ES scored Mrs. Gail King as the next principal !!

  • 281. dave mom  |  July 5, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Where is she from? Gail King?

  • 282. Knownothing  |  July 6, 2012 at 10:31 am

    The new principal at Lane is going to be a nightmare, just wait and see! One week on the job and he has already created animosity! Definitely not in the best interest of the students!

  • 283. dave mom  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    who is the new principal at Lane?

  • 284. dave mom  |  July 6, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    How has she or he done this?

  • 285. local  |  July 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Nothing to do with principal selection, but I see that the CPS budget proposal is out and (at Catalyst): “Three [public budget] hearings all on the same day… The Board of Education will hold three public hearings across the city on July 11, 2012 from 6-8 p.m. at Malcolm X College, Kennedy King College, and Daley College.” Going?

  • 286. WRP Mom  |  July 7, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Yes, 282, please elaborate!

  • 287. Mom23  |  July 8, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Naomi Nakayama is the new principal at Budlong, coming from being interim principal at Farnsworth.

  • 288. KIKI  |  July 9, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Just saw a post that D’andre Weaver will be the interim principal at Brooks, I tried to find some info and the only thing I keep coming up with is from WP, who I think was in charge of admissions. Does anyone knows if this is the same person.

  • 289. cpsobsessed  |  July 9, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Was he in the final 3 at lake view high school last year?

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  • 290. Questioner  |  July 9, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Yes, he was one of the final three for Lake View HS.

  • 291. mom2  |  July 10, 2012 at 7:39 am

    @knownothing – how has Dr. Dignam created animosity already? What did he do?
    Dave mom – the LSC selected Dr. Dignam for Lane’s principal. I don’t think there was any real discussion on it. He was a student, teacher, and assistant principal at Lane.
    Based on this, I’m sure he cares about Lane, but I have no idea what he wants for Lane or if that meshes with what parents and students I know want.

  • 292. cpsobsessed  |  July 10, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Shoot, I had taken notes at that forum but I don’t know if I save them. I saw him speak and he was a highly impressive young man (I sound like my mom saying that.) I think the one issue for him might be lack of actual principl experience, but I remember being highly impressed with his in many ways – seemed to have good idea, good and enthusiastic communicator — just a person with great energy. Seems like someone who could really infuse some vitalilty into a school. Unfortunately I can’t recall what his experience is – I feel like he did have some good experience with the more “at risk” populations that could be an asset at certain schools. Keep us posted!

  • 293. KIKI  |  July 10, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Yes I believe in getting a little more info he was a candidate at Lake View and he was an assistant principal under the principal at WP.

  • 294. CPS Parent  |  July 10, 2012 at 10:22 am

    D’Andre Weaver is the new acting principal at Gwendolyn Brooks College Prep. He and Naomi Nakayama were AP’s at Payton and were both outstanding loved by students and parents.

  • 295. Questioner  |  July 10, 2012 at 11:54 am

    What does WP stand for?

  • 296. CPS Parent  |  July 10, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    @295. Questioner – Walter Payton College Prep

  • 297. Mekhi  |  July 10, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    WOW! First time on this site. Comment about CTU takes up for bad teachers…Well, I am a dedicated , good teacher and CTU has yet to defend me and save my job each time I am ridiculed, given an unsatisfactory by a female moody principal who was retiring 6/30, crazy AP who changed moods like underwear…When will CTU and CPS realize that a lot of these teacher evaluations and all of a sudden positions being closed bye-bye no job for you….has a lot to do with principal’s moods especially female ones. If you are not in their click, life as a teacher becomes unpredictable. I had a low class, I was the 3rd teacher in a month. I came in working, teaching, staying late, redoing, reanalyzing, was given every student who transfered in , to be told a month before school let out, you don’t fit in because I spoke up to the AP about taking one of my students out of my class and putting that student in the other favorite teachers class, who by the way was part of the click, and not telling me. Nevertheless I got along with all teachers, janitors at the school, but the administration told me I didn’t fit in….Oh the story is long….Someone advise me what can I do? I want to file a lawsuit…..I know stop dreaming. It’s just so unfair.

  • 298. Nicole  |  July 10, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    At Mehki, your story unfortunately is very very common. Female principals are the worst in my opinion. They do not focus on instruction but on personality, however this is the same in many professions. My advice is that you move on and find another school. There is nothing to grieve on unfortunately. Also, principals can be mean and unfair. You want to be able to get another job. I been there and I just don’t want you to go through what I have. I have also been on both sides. I am a former AP. But I am a honest and fair person so I am speaking from what I know. Take care and hopefully you will end up working for a more fair and stable administration.

  • 299. cpsobsessed  |  July 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    There is always so much talk about being at the mercy of unfair principals who don’t judge teacher fairly. Do you guys feel that its worse than in other fields?
    What causes this allegedly rampant problem with unfair principals?
    In my field (marketing) I’ve seen a few instances of blatant personality clashes leading to firings, but most often they seem to make sense.
    Are principals really acting so differently than other bosses do?

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  • 300. Sherry  |  July 11, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I am still puzzeled by the number of vacancies that cps was to have, principals and AP, yet only a handful of hirings seem to have happened. The eraly count was a combined total of about 250 vacancies, yet the HR bulletin has only listed at max 10 a week for the last few weeks and MOST are repeat listings. I have followed the vacancies since early March when the vacancies were all in the news. What gives????

  • 301. Sherry  |  July 11, 2012 at 9:33 am

    oops…spelling error..but you catch my drift

  • 302. cpsemployee  |  July 11, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Many schools started the search for a new principal several months before the current retired and a new one was hired and ready to step in seamlessly. I know that in my Network several outgoing principals sat in on the process of principal selection and a new principal was chosen by April or May – a good two months before the current retired. Many vacancies were only advertised once (as a formality) and may have been missed.

  • 303. local  |  July 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Catalyst reports: Catching up on board actions at the last two meetings, here’s a roundup of new principal contracts Stephen Ngo, Steinmetz High, formerly principal at World Language Academy; Tawana Williams, Brighton Park, formerly assistant principal at Faraday; Wendy Oleksy, Columbus, formerly principal at Marquette; Maureen Ready, Portage Park, formerly instructional support leader in the Ravenswood-Ridge Network; Gregory Jones, Kenwood, formerly interim principal at Kenwood.

    And the following assistant principals became principals at their schools: Mary Kay Cappitelli, Taft High; Michelle Ludford-Naggatz, Beaubien; Trina Tucker, Harold Washington; James Cosme, Falconer; Christopher Dignam, Lane Technical High; Ruth Martini, Addams; Nathan Pietrini, Ogden and Donna Oberhardt, Edison.

  • 304. Questioner  |  July 12, 2012 at 10:20 am

    I believe our school is looking to hire a couple of assistant principals. Is there anywhere to look to see what APs have been hired?

  • 305. anonymouse teacher  |  July 12, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    The list from Catalyst has at least one error. Pietrini is Hawthorne’s new principal.

  • 306. SuderParent  |  July 12, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Does anyone know what is happening at Suder Montessori?

  • 307. Cpskool  |  July 12, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    Can anyone tell me about imp math. My son is starting at Jones and can skip the first book of imp math but it could be a struggle. Has anyone had to make this decision?

  • 308. Drum parent  |  July 13, 2012 at 12:58 am

    So I see Drummond Motessori is looking for an AP. Is this for real or does he already have someone in mind?

  • 309. Drum parent  |  July 13, 2012 at 1:03 am


  • 310. Drum parent  |  July 13, 2012 at 1:03 am

    @304. What is your school?

  • 311. Questioner  |  July 13, 2012 at 5:57 am

    @310 – Kenwood Academy

  • 312. kikiandkyle  |  July 13, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Has anyone seen that they fired 12 principals/assistant principals for falsifying free lunch forms today?

  • 313. cpsobsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Whoa. Where did you see that?

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  • 314. cpsobsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 11:46 am,0,5349548.story

    Thanks to HSObsessed for sending this in.

    No names are mentioned. Boy, I am just so jaded about humanity. One of the things I realized from the Diane Ravitch book is that certain programs with good intentions (ie, standardized testing) don’t work because we humans seem to be inclined to cheat.

    The free lunch thing really goes beyond free meals, right? Because those schools would get extra funding due to their free lunch % of kids. It’s a sad situation – and I’m guessing principals doing what they feel will help kids who are probably right above the (incredibly low) poverty line anyhow.

  • 315. CPS non employee  |  July 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Dr. Dushon Brown from Brooks is being investigated for misusing funds. Investigators have been at the school for the last few weeks reviewing reciepts, files etc. Claims of fancy expensive parties for big name officials at the schools expense.

  • 316. HSObsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    I recall years ago someone telling me that the “poverty rates” that are attributed to each school are a joke, given how easy it is to jot down a HHI number that qualifies kids for free or reduced price lunches. As the price of lunches goes up (it was $.85 just 7 years ago – don’t know what it is now bc DD makes her own now), the incentive rises. Plus, as you say, CPSO, principals have an incentive to not only look the other way, but ENCOURAGE parents to falsify their forms, since the schools gets more funding for every stduent who is considered to be poor, and this is all determined by those school lunch forms.

  • 317. HSObsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Just looked up the current prices to see what the economic incentives are for a family to falsify. Current lunch prices are $2.25 per lunch, plus $.35 for milk, so $2.60, time 180 instructional days a year = $468 per kid. If you have two kids, it’s $936 potentially at stake. Not chump change, neither for the family, nor for CPS.

  • 318. HS Mom  |  July 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    @316 – the form does not tell you what the cut off income is. It must be REALLY low because I know of underemployed/part time workers that did not qualify. CPS employees would clearly not qualify for free or reduced lunch. I don’t think it’s that easy to get it, they do review the applications.

  • 319. cpsmommy  |  July 13, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    It is not just a savings on lunches. The HS kids who qualify for free lunch also get AP test fees waived, student fees are lower, and many (most?) college application fees are waived. In addition, park district fees are lowered; I just overheard a park district employee informing a parent that if they had the free/reduced lunch status, their cost would be adjusted. We are talking $000’s when you add it all up.

  • 320. HSObsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    @318 The form does tell you exactly what number you must not reach before being disqualified. I’ll see if I can dig one up and scan it in. It’s a grid, so you can see what the number is depending on number of people in the household. I’ve never heard of them reviewing applications, but if you heard they do, can you give details as to who does the reviewing, at what point, whether documentation of HHI is ever requested, etc?

  • 321. HSObsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    There’s good, related info in this Trib article from earlier this year. If a family is already enrolled in a governmental aid program (“food stamps”), then they can automatically get free lunches. However, CPS gets 120,000 paper applications from other families who claim to be eligible, but federal law only allows investigation of 1% of the applications.

  • 322. IBobsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    While I think it’s truly disgusting that CPS employees (including some teachers) would falsify the form, I find the timing of this investigation and subsequent release to the media to be, well, interesting. Surely this has been going on for years, very convenient that it gives CPS dirt to influence public opinion about CPS employees at this particular time.

  • 323. cpsobsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    But this is about principals, not teachers…..
    But considering the corruption that’s occurred in our fine state, this almost seems like peanuts.

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  • 324. Drum parent  |  July 13, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Why would any principal risk their job for a “nasty” school lunch? Odd

  • 325. Drum parent  |  July 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    So any news on the Drummond AP vacancy? Suder also lists an AP vacancy.

  • 326. kikiandkyle  |  July 13, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    The article mentioned that a family of four qualifies for free lunch with a HHI under $29K and reduced lunch under $41K. They also said that it’s mainly their own kids that they are doing this for, so these are some of the highest paid employees in school that are doing this.

  • 327. cpsobsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Wait, the principals are lying about their OWN kids? In a system where their own income can be easily validated? Ok, that’s just D-U-M-B.

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  • 328. Drum parent  |  July 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Now I am curious who they are, any clues?

  • 329. HS Mom  |  July 13, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    IBO – the year we applied I received a phone call from CPS at work asking for further info to process my application. This was the first year we put in something other than “not applicable”. We were declined and I know others that were too. I guess because of #326 parameters. I don’t know if families who are approved need to provide additional info. I do know that kids of families that are not approved for the lunch program and cannot afford to pay for school fees are not allowed to attend school functions until they pay up or make a payment plan with the school and there seem to be a number of kids in that situation. I get the impression that it’s not as easy as making up an income figure, especially now – that is just speculation on my part. The fact that they are catching people seems to bare that out.

  • 330. @317  |  July 13, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    The $2.25 includes milk but if you just want milk and not the lunch it is 35 cents. I know many people who lie on the lunch applications. A principal told me that they only review 5 applications per school. People rarely get caught. I didn’t know about all of the other incentives for free/reduced lunch though. I really wish someone would name the schools….

  • 331. anonymouse teacher  |  July 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    Every few years an article like this comes out. There is always a small percentage of employees and non-employee families who lie about their income to get the free lunches. These meals are paid for with federal dollars and it is fraud. Its a big deal.

  • 332. IB obsessed  |  July 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    @317 and others-so many familiar themes with other contemporary scandals. Everybody does it. The system is corrupt and hard to respect, so why honor its rules. We deserve/ need the money. Even the higher ups wink at it, so why not. Odds are we won’t get caught, because nobody cares. Everybody’s fleecing the gov’t, so why shouldn’t I get mine?

  • 333. Jen  |  July 13, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    And then we wonder why kids today don’t have any respect for authority…

  • 334. Drum parent  |  July 15, 2012 at 11:38 am

    I don’t think kids lack of respect is tied to cheating on lunch forms.

  • 335. Katy  |  July 15, 2012 at 11:39 am

    I love the guilty until proven innocent type of culture we have turned in to!!

  • 336. Katy  |  July 15, 2012 at 11:42 am

    “gaming” the system is nothing new. After all…didn’t our own mayor use “the system” to run?? I remember some issue with residency, etc. so maybe these principals used a similar way of viewing the “requirements”. IF they actually did this.

  • 337. Lasalle II parent  |  July 15, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Did Ms. Dowd the assistant principal leave Suder too? I did not know that. She was very fair and kind.
    Who was the AP at Drummond?

  • 338. anonymouse teacher  |  July 15, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Most of the time, though surely not all, when a principal leaves a school the AP does too unless the AP becomes the principal. Most new principals want to bring in their own person. Sometimes they will also bring in their own handpicked staff too as openings become available, often from their former schools.

  • 339. Jen  |  July 15, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Actually when parents and teachers decide that they don’t have to respect the rules their kids are learning that they don’t have to either. I know plenty of parents who will decry every rule they don’t like as stupid and state that they’re going to ignore it in front of their kids, then they wonder how their kids think it’s OK for them to break the rules. We can’t expect our kids to play fair when we don’t.

  • 340. katy  |  July 16, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    So were they proved guilty yet?

  • 341. CpsSciTchr  |  July 17, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Anonymouse…do you know how many positions are still open at your school?

  • 342. southie  |  July 27, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Look at her climb, despite the trail of destruction in her wake. “Zipporah Hightower has been named managing director of programs for the Chicago team at New Leaders. Hightower is a former principal of Kellogg Elementary and of Bethune Elementary, an Academy for Urban School Leadership turnaround school.”

  • 343. mekhi  |  July 27, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    @southie…..How does that happen? Worst principals in the world seem to climb? I just don’t get it. Some of them ruin teachers careers, and the next thing you know they are CEO at the Board….smh

  • 344. anniesullivan  |  July 27, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    It happens because of the toilet bowl theory and it is getting worse.There is a shortage of qualified administrators so people who normally would have not been allowed to climb the administrative ladder are sought after-I fear CPS is being led by idiots. Who in the world down at CO either in the law department or OSES or both decided to try to overturn Corey H. (get CPS dismissed form the monitoring)
    The new head of special education who had to be imported from Cincinnati needs to do an undercover boss scenario and sub for a week at five different schools in five different special education programs. I think if she did that then she would see that children with disabilities in CPS are left floundering in a sea of mismanagement.

  • 345. PTA Southside Mom  |  July 31, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    You can take Lenart out of the group. We have a new principal and assistant principal. The principal comes from Nettlehorst. She seems ready to take Lenart to the next level and involve parents in the process.

  • 346. mekhi  |  July 31, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Wow Principal from Nettlehorst! Great school!

  • 347. anonymouse teacher  |  July 31, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    @341, As far as I know, my principal was able to fill every single one of those positions. She didn’t have to advertise because she got so many applicants sending in blind resumes. Plus, once you hire one applicant who is finishing up at program X at University Z, then those folks often help find people too.
    We are a good school in a safe area. I am not surprised she could fill the spots easily, even the bilingual ones. I am not naive enough to think replacing most of a staff will make an easy year, but nothing about this year will be easy. Sink or swim, new or old, we are all in this boat together.

  • 348. Sped Mom  |  July 31, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    OMG. I LOVE this idea! “The new head of special education who had to be imported from Cincinnati needs to do an undercover boss scenario and sub for a week at five different schools in five different special education programs. I think if she did that then she would see that children with disabilities in CPS are left floundering in a sea of mismanagement.” Hope she’d try her hand a the eIEP, do a few IEP meetings, try to find a measurable goal anywhere, figure out which kids need evaluations for sped, etc.

  • 349. been there done that  |  July 31, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    @ Lenart- The previous principal at Nettlehorst is who gave the green light for all of the improvements at Nettlehorst back in like 2006ish retired a few years back. The one I think you are talking about did not do the heavy lifting!

  • 350. anniesullivan  |  July 31, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    oophs you forgot that the sped teacher can sub whenever the sub pool forgets to send someone or a teacher goes home sick AND starting in 2012 they can also do 45 minutes of lunch duty-don’t worry if the minutes can’t be met because lunch duty trumps SPED legalities…after all didn’t our illustrious law department file suit to have the Corey H. case dismissed? Wait! they have money to litigate against the students but no money for one to one aides for students with severe and profound disabilities…

  • 351. PTA Southside Mom  |  August 1, 2012 at 11:17 am

    The new principal at Lenart was the resident principal or principal in training. From what I understand, she gave some great ideas and at the school visit, the staff gave her high marks. The selection committee took great diligence to find a principal and didn’t accept quite a few candidates because they weren’t the right fit. In this candidate, they felt she was right for Lenart. As with all new principals, the proof will be will be in the pudding. Wish us luck.

  • 352. Mike  |  August 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    dignam is killing Lane, he must go!

  • 353. cpsobsessed  |  August 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Please – don’t make vague comment like that. Even if you back it up with opinion, at least provide some rationale or context, otherwise what is the point really, except to incite people?
    Nobody is going to pull their kid from Lane nor push for change (if needed) unless they have opinions or information.

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  • 354. Teacher  |  August 1, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Is the principal information listed on official CPS school profiles the most up-to-date, accurate information available? Can anyone confirm who the principals for the 2012-2013 school year are at Washington HS, Gage Park HS, and Hubbard HS?

  • 355. Mike  |  August 1, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Dignam has let go of multiple shop teachers who could have easily retired with the pep, but instead told them of his changes well after the deadline. He has fired 5 PE teachers beacuse he is cutting the program. He was a nerdy social misfit who is taking his personal love of music and art and ruining teachers lives while forcing this down 4500 students throats.

  • 356. Lane Teacher  |  August 1, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    He fired quality secretaries for funds to hire another AP just to get his own people promotions too!

  • 357. Lane Teacher  |  August 1, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    The LSC, members of the alumni, and the Century Foundation is getting very upset! 1 & DUN!

  • 358. cpsobsessed  |  August 1, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    How about the parents?

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  • 359. mom2  |  August 1, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    I’m a Lane parent and I am not aware of any details on what Dr. Dignam is eliminating. I do know he has decided to stop offering some courses (maybe that was shop and some PE courses?) and replace them with other, more rigorous, high tech and 21st century courses. I know he is making all kinds of changes to add on to their art and music programs which were already quite good and he is investing money in more science and technology areas. His principal page on the web site has 3 different letters explaining what he is trying to do. He did not offer specifics on who was let go or what courses are no longer offered.
    I just read the August letter and see there are new assistant principals. I only know one of them and she was outstanding in her prior position. I had experience with one that appears to no longer be there and she was great, too. So, who knows.

    The general information in these letters actually sound quite promising and very exiting. He comes across so stiff, but it sounds like he really does have a direction for Lane that may well fit the families attending Lane these days. However, until school starts and we get into the school year, I will reserve final judgement.

  • 360. mom2  |  August 2, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Lane Teacher, do you teach shop? Do you know the new AP’s and do you have some solid reasons why they will not serve Lane well? The new ideas sound pretty good to me, but actions speak louder than words, so we will see.

  • 361. Lane Teacher  |  August 2, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    I do not, I teach English. I believe the school has been great, why change when there is NO reason to?

  • 362. mom2  |  August 3, 2012 at 10:38 am

    I believe Lane has been fantastic in many ways, and my child and friends love it, but I totally disagree that just because something is great now that you should never try to improve, grow, enhance, expand, etc.
    Horse and buggy was great, does that mean we never should have tried automobiles? Pen and paper worked great, should we never have moved on to computers with word processors?
    Lane has the most amazing facilities, why not take advantage of them to offer even more to the students? We need to be educating current students on the new things going on in the word today and some of what he is proposing sounds like he wants that, too. Change for the sake of change is silly, but change with the idea of growth and staying current makes tons of sense to me. I know a lot of parents are quite excited about Lane’s future and never thought he would be the one to help it along like that. I am hopeful.

  • 363. ProudPop  |  August 4, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    I, for one, am a parent that is very happy to hear about the changes. I am also happy to see some improved communication from Dignam since he became principal. At #361 sounds like you might be an unhappy teacher or afraid Dignam is one of the few not keeping the status quo?

    At #355 Mike – you are totally trying to incite parents here without giving all the facts. Lobosco told us all she was leaving over spring break – the end of March. PEP ended in March and Dignam didn’t become principal until the latter part of May. How could he have let outdated shop teachers know he was going to eliminate meaningless classes (before PEP ended) if he didn’t become principal months after PEP? I don;t remember seeing Dignam in Narnia.

    I, along with probably te majority of parents, are excited someone is shaking thisngs up to help our kids – even if it means shaking loos teachers like “355 Mike” and “361 Lane Tech”.

  • 364. Gn'G  |  August 4, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Looks like Dignam has the Alumni Asociation, the Century Foundation, the PTSO and the LSC behind him with his fundraising.

    It also looks like he has raised quite alot of funds for our students t
    this summer.

    I’m very happy that he seems to be making well thought out changes for our children. I think the detractors, or distractors, are probably afraid he is going to shake up what they are supposed to be doing in Lane’s classrooms.

  • 365. ProudPop  |  August 4, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    As a parent, I find it kinda embarassing that the two teachers from Lane posting under the names “Mike” and “Lane Tech” resort to calling our principal names because they are upset about change. Leaving everything the same is the problem with CPS. I am surprised at all the changes too because Dr. Dignam is certainly putting himself on a limb and I admire that. Thats what i want for my children. Improvement and classes they take that matter.
    Its easy to call names when you use alias but Dr. Dignam is certainly not hiding and has been providing us all with updates. more than I have ever received from Lane in the 2 years my daughter has been there. Cowardly “Mike” and “Lane Tech” posters stop hiding or at least be honest. Your points are exagerated.

  • 366. momof3boys  |  August 4, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    i found out that they they eliminated drafting, why could it be last year.

  • 367. anonymouse teacher  |  August 4, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    I don’t know where to put this so CPSO, feel free to move it to a more appropriate place. I seem to remember people being upset that the a very popular Beaubien math teacher leaving to become principal somewhere else–is that correct? For all Beaubien parents, I know the new math teacher (or maybe she is one of several, not sure how many people you lost) coming to your school and she is really great. You will love her!

  • 368. cpsobsessed  |  August 4, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    Thanks A-Mouse. I am starting to compile notes on each school for the message board so I’ll put it there. That is great news!

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  • 369. Looking at Lane  |  August 4, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    #366 MO3B Please give us some context for your comments. We don’t all have kids there so I would like to know what you mean.

  • 370. ProudPop  |  August 4, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    @369 I know I wish it had been eliminated before my child sat through it a couple of years ago. Drafting was really out of date the way it was taught at Lane. I’m excited about all the changes and it sounds like the new Lane principal is being aggressive in revitalizing programs to prepare students across the board. I have met Dr. Dignam and I was thrilled when I heard he got the job as Lane’s new principal. he’s great for ou kids!

  • 371. Daddy of Zane  |  August 5, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Naomi Nakayama, who was the acting principal at Farnsworth, is the new principal at Budlong (according to their marquee, anyways). No idea if Farnsworth has a new principal yet.

  • 372. CPS Parent  |  August 6, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Sounds like the new principal at Lane Tech is finally moving the school towards the contemporary definition of “tech” Teaching all kids drafting (especially non-computer based) even 10 years ago was ridiculous.

  • 373. LT Parent  |  August 6, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Dr. Dignam is wonderful and perfect for the job as Lane’s new principal! I was relieved when he got the job because I have had personal experinces with him when he was an AP and he has always been helpful and definitely puts students first. He is a rare find and one that will be taking Lane to the next level. I am happy about the changes he is making.

  • 374. JustanotherCPSparent  |  August 9, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Reading way back- someone asked about the new K teacher at Edison RGC. Her last name is Alt (Corinne?) and she was last employed as a reading specialist, I believe. That’s all I know.

  • 375. CpsParent2  |  August 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Did Pulaski get a principal yet? CPS website lists Analia Chico as principal…

  • 376. Questioner  |  August 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Where did Pat Baccilieri (sp?) land?

  • 377. Katy  |  August 13, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Chico? I hope not!!

  • 378. lt teacher  |  August 14, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Well, u must be Dignam with all these responses. Im a tenured PE teacher who he cant touch, at Lane and he has cut our department, why? Because he dislikes sports. He fired 3 successful coaches, why? Because he hates sports. Stop supporting someone who is using his personal interests and assuming all students need it. The pep was extended thru May and these changes were in the works for a few years. Why didnt he inform these teachers? Because he lacks social skills

  • 379. lt teacher  |  August 14, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Oh, and Lane will always be #5 in the city….ALWAYS! So stop saying Dignam is taking thus school to a whole new level. he pushes a watered down AP program which is a joke and a money maker. If ur kid is not in AP, they should be a special Ed

  • 380. lt mike  |  August 15, 2012 at 1:14 am

    @proudpop. Saying my points are exaggerated isnt saying that they are false. this is an anonymous board so calling out someone for giving an alias is expected. Whats your name and who is your daughter? Also, the alumni were forced into a donation or they were going to be removed from the buildingg while the Century foundation is reconsidering. Dont mess with the people that voted u in…..Annie Rice

  • 381. Lane Freshmen Parent  |  August 24, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    This is for Lane parents – I have heard a lot about the new STEM wing, is this primarily for the Alpha students? I am bummed about no longer offering drafting. The Alpha program didn’t feel like the right fit for my child, so my child declined. In some ways we might have chosen another school had we known about some of these changes. The drafting/engineering was one of the biggest appeals of Lane for my child. The STEM might be appealing but it is feeling like those offerings will only be available for Alpha students. Lane parents, I need some encouragement about Lane

  • 382. Neil!  |  August 27, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Rumor has it, 4 out of 5 administrators DIDN’T pass the REACH teacher evaluation exam.

  • 383. Neil!  |  August 27, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Rumor has it 4 out of every 5 CPS school administrators DIDN’T pass the R.E.A.C.H. teacher evaluation exam.

  • 384. cpsobsessed  |  August 27, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Neil, can you elaborate on where that rumor is coming from. And what you’re talking about. Since I have no idea. Perhaps others don’t as well. Why would an admin need to excel at a teacher’s test?

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  • 385. Teacher4321  |  August 27, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    The test is to make sure that principals know how to correctly evaluate the teachers with the new system that will be part of the merit pay eventually.

  • 386. cpsobsessed  |  August 27, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    Well, if I was an admin, I wouldn’t have studied for the test yet, given the ongoing negotiations. Just sayin.

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  • 387. Michelle Cahill  |  August 28, 2012 at 9:57 am

    This comment is for the Dignam lovers. @proudpop, maybe you are on the LSC at Lane and are responsible for hiring this person, and therefore feel the need to defend your choice. The teachers who have posted on this blog are correct. Dignam promotes his own interests and has hired his “supporters” while firing the teachers that he just doesn’t like or the ones that won’t kiss his a####.
    I am the parent of a Lane Tech student whose schedule was changed because Dignam cut all of the PE electives from Lane. The selection of courses that my student then had to choose from were classes that my student had no interest in. Since when is PE OUTDATED????? Actually progressive thinkers believe that physical education should be a part of every school day for every student. I also know that he cut classes from the English department and I’m sure other departments too that were very relevant. He is picking and choosing what goes and what stays.
    Dignam also lied in his newsletter about the reason he closed some classes. He said that it was because they weren’t filled. I know that this is not the case and in fact some of the “replacement” classes were the ones that could not be filled.
    Don’t be fooled by his smoke and mirrors. He is a petty man whose only vision is self promotion. I hope that the he doesn’t stay at Lane.

  • 388. Jim  |  August 28, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    My child goes to Lane and some of the PE electives were cut. Not all of them. Principals cannot just fire teachers – get real. I wish they could because it would have spared my child some suffering in grammar school. *** I support what he has done this summer and he has never been anything but helpful to me and my child.

  • 389. Catherine Fallon  |  August 29, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    We were forced to go private because my daughter was wait listed EVERY place we applied. We live in the West Loop and found a gem called Children of Peace. It is Pre-K through 8th grade and is located on Taylor Street in the Little Italy/ University Village neighborhood is AMAZING. The students represent the makeup of Chicago. Most schools say they are diverse but this one actually delivers. I don’t think you could meet a more passionate faculty in Chicago. The school actually has outdoor green space and appears to be dropped in the middle of the medical schools and hospitals. In fact, the school’s science lab was built by RUSH hospital. The school has a lot of cool partnerships due to its proximity to UIC, RUSH and the other hospitals. Many people in the medical profession have their children attend Children of Peace. It is a nice private education with small class sizes and the price averages $88 per week. It starts with pre-school. You can opt for Montessori or the traditional pre-school at 3 years of age. There is a new principal who is always available and knows every child by name. One of the coolest features of Children of Peace is that it has a deaf and hard of hearing program in one of their buildings. Children of Peace School has an old school vibe but laced with the latest technology. If you are looking for a great education and don’t want to worry about your child being lost in a sea of children…this is the school for you.

  • 390. Harry Jozefowicz  |  August 31, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Lane parent of 3 athletes. I had personal experiences with Mr Dignan last year, he seemed very stuffy and totally one sided. Now I am hearing only bad things about his newly policies. Very one sided against sports. Lane is the school of champions, always will be. Sounds like the LSC screwed up, time for an impeachment vote before he damages the school beyond repair. Academics will always shine through, more funds are needed to spend on sports upgrades such as a refurbishing of the 3rd floor gym.

  • 391. Taser Dad  |  September 5, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Taser Dad says, Lane Tech cut all its drafting classes. Drafting is the basis for all drawing and engineering type classes. All projects drawn by every student for every class has beginning in drafting. Also, severe coaching cuts of several coaches vital to a continuing pursuit of athletic excellence which has a long tradition at Lane. Dignan was never an athlete and only puts up with sports. He despises the storied tradition of athletic excellence at Lane Tech. Stop the PE cuts or you will feel the wrath of student athletes and their parents. Many voices together will give a vote of no confidence to Mr Dignan and it will be time to vote him out. Stand up for Lane all you LSC members sitting on your hands. STOP the massacre of the sports programs and elective classes. And it maybe time to get a new Athletic Director, he is just a pawn and yes man to Dignan.

  • 392. LT Alum  |  September 5, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Lane Tech did not cut all the drafting classes and Dignam did not cut any coaches. Name one coach that was cut. You can’t becasue none were. After seeing this I called and spoke with him (he actually picked up). I read the new principal’s messages in the principal’s page and he is actually adding new athletics. Why don;t all the Lane Tech disgruntal PE teachers stop hijacking our parent thread?

  • 393. Harry Balls Jozefowicz  |  September 8, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Septemeber 4th update at on the principal’s page

    I hope Lane gets these new athletic teams. I used to be in rowing in college and with the new Mayor’s boat house by Lane and the Chicago River it would be a great match for such a great school with a new principal that is implementing alot of great new programs. I am happy about all these changes even though it sounds like a loud “few” cant get over it.

  • 394. H.Jozefowicz  |  October 3, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    RE: Post 393, H.Jozefowicz did not write that post. It was somebody who didn’t have the stones to find me and debate the future of the school. Who ever Harry Balls Jozefowicz is come find me and we can have a serious sit down.

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