Nightline Show tonight on NYC Gifted/Talented Program + Article

April 13, 2012 at 2:24 pm 34 comments

This is kind of cool… Nightline will have a segment on NYC schools gifted program that makes our system look like Mayberry. (Andy Griffith reference for you youngsters.)  A reader had also just sent me an article on the program that is posted below.  They have WAY more seats out there than we do and any child in 90%+ is guaranteed a seat.  Somewhere in the city.  So that could mean an insane commute, obviously.  And not in an SUV either.  The beauty of this program is that you get your score BEFORE you apply to the schools, which makes so much sense.  Take a read and/or watch.  These NYC parents take anxiety to a new level, I guess because even the cheap privates there have tuition in the stratosphere.

ABC Nightline to Air a Full Segment on Entry for Gifted and Talented Programs 
Tune in Friday, April 13th at 10:35pm CST

The ABC Nightline crew has been following families as they navigate the Gifted and Talented entry process for over a year. A full 25-minute segment tonight will feature the Gifted and Talented process, the testing, the schools, and an interview with the new New York City School Chancellor, Dennis Walcott.  If you are currently in a Gifted and Talented school, or are looking to gain entry into one, this is a must watch.  To learn more about navigating the Gifted and Talented process, please contact us online, or call our office staff at 917-539-4575.

April 11, 2012 8:20am | By Julie Shapiro, DNAinfo Reporter/Producer

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NEW YORK — Thousands of parents across the city began to receive word Tuesday about whether their preschooler won a coveted spot in one of the city’s gifted and talented programs.

The 4-year-olds all took the same standardized test over the winter, and the city began emailing parents on Tuesday with the results. Only those children who score in the top 10 percent have a chance of getting admitted to one of the elite public school programs, which many parents believe rival the best private education.

“I’m sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to hear,” said Evie Porwick, an Upper West Side resident who hopes her 4-year-old son will score high enough to join his big sister at P.S. 163’s gifted program. “It’s very nerve-wracking.”

The city will continue notifying parents about the scores this week, and then families whose children qualify for a gifted and talented program will have until April 20 to fill out an application and make the difficult decision of how to rank the schools they would like their child to attend.

Mark Lynch, a Lower East Side father, was also still waiting Tuesday afternoon to find out his daughter Annabelle’s score.

“We’re on pins and needles,” Lynch said.

To help, DNAinfo put together a guide that includes advice from parents and experts on what families should do and expect during this stressful and complicated process. It also includes a neighborhood-by-neighborhood breakdown of gifted and talented options.


Since schools are closed for vacation this week, families will have to cram in all of their school tours next week, giving them very little time to weigh their options before the applications are due, said Michael McCurdy, co-founder of, a test preparation website.

“Everyone’s in high-stress mode,” said McCurdy, a Battery Park City resident whose daughter is in the gifted program at Chelsea’s P.S. 33. “This is your kid’s future. People want to review their schools and have some time to think about it. They want to make a good decision. But they have to rush.”

Despite the tight timeline, McCurdy encourages parents to visit as many schools as possible to meet the principal, observe classes in action and test out the commute. The city only provides buses for students who live less than 5 miles from the school and in the same borough, though at some schools parents pool their funds to charter private buses to pick up the far-flung students, McCurdy said.

Parents may also want to ask about the school’s curriculum and enrichment activities, and they should try to get a sense of the school’s vibe and whether their child would be comfortable there, McCurdy said.

Parents whose children scored in the 90th percentile or above on the hour-long gifted and talented test — which asks the youngsters to solve basic logic puzzles and demonstrate that they can sit still and listen — can apply to any of the G&T programs in their local school district. If parents want to guarantee their child a seat, they must list every single gifted program in their district on the application form.

Those who score in the 97th percentile or above can also apply to the five citywide gifted schools: New Explorations Into Science, Technology and Math (NEST+m) on the Lower East Side; The Anderson School on the Upper West Side; TAG Young Scholars in East Harlem; the Brooklyn School of Inquiry in Bensonhurst; and the STEM Academy in Astoria.

Although the 97th percentile is technically the cutoff for citywide gifted schools, in practice kids need a higher score, often in the 99th percentile, to get in, experts said.

Last year, out of the 14,088 preschoolers in New York City who took the gifted and talented test, about 4,000 qualified for a district G&T and just 970 scored in the 99th percentile. The city has not yet publicly released the number of applicants and how high they scored for this year.

Younger siblings of current students in gifted programs have first priority in the admissions process, and then the remaining seats are distributed by lottery, first to children in the 99th percentile, then those in the 98th percentile, and so on, until all seats are filled.

Robin Aronow, founder of School Search NYC, advises parents only to apply to schools that they would actually consider attending and to list their choices in order of preference, not prestige.

“There’s no gaming this,” Aronow said.

While hundreds of parents received good news on gifted and talented seats this week, many more found out that their children did not qualify.

Rather than focusing on the missed opportunity, those parents should find after-school programs and other enrichment activities to nurture their child’s talents and ensure that he or she is challenged, said Kim Har, director of childhood education at Aristotle Circle, a test preparation and admissions counseling company.

“It isn’t the end of the world,” Har said. “They can supply their kids with whatever experience is best for them. It may not be called ‘gifted and talented,’ but as long as it’s helping their kid, it doesn’t matter.”

Families can also ask to see a copy of their child’s test, if they believe the score is inaccurate, and they can appeal the city’s decision that their child is ineligible. Children can also take the test again next winter and enter a gifted and talented program in first grade instead.

To help parents choose a gifted and talented school for this fall, parents at the five citywide gifted schools are holding a panel April 17 at 7 p.m. at P.S. 20, 166 Essex St. on the Lower East Side. is holding a separate information session on G&T programs April 18 at 6:30 p.m. at Poets House, 10 River Terrace in Battery Park City.

Also, an article about test-prep which is fascinating business in NYC.

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  • 1. LR  |  April 13, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    “Families can also ask to see a copy of their child’s test, if they believe the score is inaccurate, and they can appeal the city’s decision that their child is ineligible.”

    Wouldn’t that be nice? To actually see a copy of your child’s test?

  • 2. kikiandkyle  |  April 14, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Getting the scores in advance makes so much more sense. You only tour schools you need to, you only apply to schools you qualify for, it eliminates so much paperwork for the district offices and means people don’t apply for spots they’re not going to need.

  • 3. SoxSideIrish4  |  April 14, 2012 at 5:06 am

    Most parents think their child is ‘gifted’, and want to give their children the best they can, but seeing how much money these parent spent and then their disappointment was probably a lot of pressure for the children. Children know when their parents are stressed out even if they don’t vocalize it. Children want to perform well and please their parents, but this is a lot of stress for a 4yr old child.

  • 4. TeachinChi  |  April 14, 2012 at 7:41 am

    I think part of the problem is that in order to find an acceptable school, students are being forced into the G&T label when the majority are not. Unfortunately in our country the opportunities for the average kid are limited. However, I wish parents would get a grip. I appreciated the mom in the show who pulled her daughter from testing realizing she was not cut out for the exam. I wish more parents were in time with th reality of their child’s capabilities and acted accordingly.

  • 5. Albany Parker  |  April 14, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Three other details interested me from the show:
    1. Younger siblings could qualify for the G&T schools with a lower percentile (I think it was 90 vs. 99). Get the rationale but doesn’t seem quite fair (even though our family could potentially benefit from this with one entering K and another to be tested next year.
    2. Looks like in NYC the age for K is based on calendar year – so their Kindergarters include the Sept to Dec b-days that would be “too young” in CHI. I was wondering why they kept saying “4 year olds” – so many of the kids doing SEES testing in CHI are already 5.
    3. Some of the gifted programs were K-12. Tradeoffs there too, but have to admit it sounds appealing as we know we’ll be looking for schools again for HS

  • 6. a dad  |  April 14, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Some may disagree with me, but I think the term “gifted” is thrown around too much and misunderstood. If you have to teach kids their letters, colors etc. over and over at 4 yrs old, I’m not sure theybelong in a gifted program.They’re very bright, yes – especially if they learn the material like the kids on the program. My nephew is gifted. He could identify all letters and colors by 18 months old. Without being taught. He just knew. He was reading by sight at 3. He was adding, subtracting and understood word problems that covered the concepts of multiplication. He’s not Einstein, but is what I think of as gifted. I think that parents try to get kids into the programs because that seems like the best (or in Chicago the only) option but it might not really be suitable for the child. Too much pressure, especially if the child succeeded on the test because they were coached. I think it took a lot of courage for that Mom to let go of her dreams and not have her child tested because that seemed to be what was best.

  • 7. LR  |  April 14, 2012 at 10:43 am

    @5: That’s interesting that Sept.-Dec. birthdays go ahead in New York. As of next year, I will have two fall birthday kids in RGC’s. I have always contended that they would not need the RGC curriculum if they could just start school a year earlier, like they would if they lived in Michigan, or California, or Vermont, or I guess New York as well! I wish there would be more flexibility on this.

  • 8. Chicago Gawker  |  April 14, 2012 at 11:56 am

    The most striking thing to me is that EVERY child who scores 90th %ile or above gets a spot somewhere even if ‘only’ at a neighborhood school gifted program. NY is so far ahead of Chicago there.

    2nd striking point- 78% of the kids in gifted do not test ‘gifted; level in HS.

  • 9. RationalRationing  |  April 14, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    73%, not 78%, but still striking.nevertheless..although SO striking, the statement seems a little suspect and it would have been helpful for a citation. In the segment, they said “research suggests that 73% of the kids who ‘aced the test’ at 4 no longer tested at the gifted level by high school.” “Suggests” is a bit weasel-wordy, and what does “aced” – mean? Plus not a lot of gifted testing goes on at the high school level, so this would have had to have been a sample. Still…

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Nightline got it backward, because it would still be significant and interesting if 27% of 4 year old gifties dropped out of whatever percentile they’re referring to.

  • 10. a dad  |  April 14, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    I also was thinking it would stink to be the oldest in the family – you have to score a 99 to get into one of the good schools, but your sibs only have to score a 90 to join you after that. Poor first borns!

  • 11. norwoodic  |  April 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I just went to the nightline website and it appears that most if not all of the segment is there for the viewing. If you have a child who will sit through this test in the future – viewer discretion advised. Thanks for the heads up on this.

    I am skeptical that the money works and I think this causes unnecessary angst among the rest of us.

    There’s nothing a tutor can do that a parent can’t do better, and there’s no evidence that you can cheat the test. As for the percentage that score differently later on – this is a statistical fact for all IQ and ability tests that is well proven and has been known for a long time. It’s called Regression To The Mean. I think CPS addresses this nicely by retesting for high school.

  • 12. cpsobsessed  |  April 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    I thought the stats were interesting:
    12,000 kids took the test
    4,000 scored in the 90% + (so one third of kids taking the test qualify as gifted.)
    1,000 scored a 99%+ (so close to 10% of kids got a perfect score.)

    There are 300 spots in the top citywide schools, all of which go to the 99% kids (not sure how they rank those 1,000 kids) but siblings can get in with a 90%+.

    *I think we always wonder why we see so many high scoring kids here in Chicago and why the top scoring kids don’t always get the spots they want. Well if we’re like NYC, there is a HUGE selection bias as to who is being tested — smart kids.

    The chancellor adamantly defended the system of testing kids at age 4 for spots up to high school and also felt OK with parents doing expensive, lengthy test prep. He said that “everyone prepares their children in different ways.” Hmm, not sure a low income immigrant family will be preparing in the same way as the $3,000 test prep families. It was interesting to see one little girl (the one who’s mom decided not to give her the real test) didn’t improve at all from the beginning of the expensive test prep until the end. Other kids seems to get more focused, and given that they KNOW the actual test, one would have to think it would be beneficial to practice a little beforehand. Anyhow, interesting show and made me appreciate that as obsessed as we get here, we look like laid back hippies compared to the NYC parents.

  • 13. Public or Private  |  April 14, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    I thought the chancellor was full of it. (As a former NY’er, and as someone who spent a little time as a visiting teacher in a New York City public school with a large low-income population) I was especially incensed at his spin. I guess he didn’t read Nurture Shock.) My heart went out to the woman who decided not to have her daughter take the test — the daughter who ended up reading in kindergarten anyway!

  • 14. Public or Private  |  April 14, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Ugh. Sorry for the out-of-control parentheses. Apparently, I do not have the manual dexterity of a 4-year-old with an iPad. Anyway, I forgot to add that although I abhor the system that makes test prep “necessary,” I cannot say that I wouldn’t have signed up my tot if I had stayed in NYC.

  • 15. Mom  |  April 14, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    I did think the Chancellor was a bit, shall we say, disengenous. When he was pressed about why a test for 4-year-olds could be accurate, he evasiousvly said it could be, based on un-specified research. Yet, from what I know, the research is quite consistent that tests don’t mean bunk before age 8-9. This is borne out by the number of kids in NYC who don’t test in the 99% in 3rd, 5th, 8th, or 9th grades. These testing procedures let in “early learners” at the expense of the “gifted.” Sad, but true, for everyone involved. The only thing that is better in Chicago (in this respect than in NYC) is that in NYC it is actually fair in terms of testing and who gets in — it is based on which kids score better, and not some “gerrymand” based on their race (oh, wait, I mean their “socio-economic” status).

  • 16. proudmomma  |  April 18, 2012 at 7:36 am

    I haven’t watched the show mentioned above, but recently watched a documentary titled, Nursery University. Same scenerio but for the private preschool race instead. I just about fell out of my chair and could not believe the lengths that parents were jumping thru hoops in order to get their 3 yr olds into the “it” preschools. If you’re interested you can stream it on Netflix.

    It really is a commentary on the parents as the kids could care less whether they have yoga and swimming classes (yes, there were preschools which offered both) or were just stacking blocks and playing at a water table. Blew MY mind anyway.

  • 17. Amanda  |  April 19, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    It is natural for a parent to believe that their child is exceptional. I am guilty of that. But as a kindergarten teacher in a public NYC school I grew more and more concerned about my daughter. She was reading at 3 and demonstrating critical thinking and analysis far before she should be. I knew she was entering preschool surpassing the benchmarks expected for first grade. As a teacher I know that when as child isn’t challenged they become bored and loose motivation. Who wants that for their child?

    Long story short….I wanted my daughter tested but I didn’t want to teach her the test. I wanted a true understanding of where she stood without preparation just as she would be faced with when in a gifted class where she is expected to perform at an accelerated rate. Because she scored in the 94th percentile, she does not qualify for the city-wide schools. I wonder in hindsight if I had prepped her for the test, how much higher could she have scored?

    The test is supposed to measure the potential a child holds in comparison to their peers. How valid is this tool in predicting success when children are not on a level playing field?

  • 18. Chris  |  April 20, 2012 at 6:44 am

    “The test is supposed to measure the potential a child holds in comparison to their peers. How valid is this tool in predicting success when children are not on a level playing field?”

    Depends on the kid. Some kids do better excelling in regular class than being average in accelerated class.

    My eldest would be quite unhappy with added homework, even if completely capable of doing it all well; tested well enough to get in (ie, above reported “last in” score at preferred school) every year *except* the entry year, so would be on par with the “gifted” kids per the test.

    You may need to invest some added effort, but it’ll be okay. Real challenge is always (for city schools) at HS level. Then, even if you dont believe in test prep, you should prep.

  • 19. kikiandkyle  |  April 20, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Amanda – I’m in the same situation – my daughter tested in the 99th percentile on the WISC-IV administered privately but has never scored enough to be offered a place at any of the public gifted schools. I didn’t prep her either year because of her strong perfectionist tendencies that tend to lead to a melt down under pressure. But as she wastes yet another year in a school that doesn’t challenge her, I do have to wonder if maybe I should be sending her to test prep if that’s what it takes for CPS to acknowledge what the experts do.

  • 20. Chris  |  April 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    “But as she wastes yet another year in a school that doesn’t challenge her, I do have to wonder if maybe I should be sending her to test prep if that’s what it takes for CPS to acknowledge what the experts do.”


    She’d be going into 2d, right? Do you have a plan that will find one of the (relatively few) open slots at a school which is not geographically prohibitive? b/c she could get a 170 on the stupid test and not necessarily get a seat anywhere at a non-entry grade, if no one leaves.

  • 21. Mich  |  April 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    I finally got around to watching this.

    I think @6 has it right – that a child who can take that test, unaided, and score 99% or above is gifted beyond doubt.

    But I think the chancellor is wrong in saying this test is accurate for most kids – because being prepped means you’re getting the best sponges, those who can soak up the required learning parts and not necessarily the kids who are truly gifted.

    And by feeling it s perfectly ok that the best is only available to the elite gifted and those who can pay to prep their kids is like some of the arguments against public education in general. What did you need to teach the poor for? The truly genius will find a way to show it and who cares about the rest anyway if they can’t pay?

  • 22. Chris  |  May 1, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    “I think @6 has it right – that a child who can take that test, unaided, and score 99% or above is gifted beyond doubt.”

    I have a kid who has taken the test multiple times (every time with NO prep, other than a pep talk about trying and answering all the questions, even if it’s a guess) and scored as high as 150 and as low as 127. 99% is probably 135 (since 130 is “approximately the 98th percentile” per the letter, and that corresponds with a 15SD scale. Of course, the low score was the entry year.

    So, if my kid is “gifted beyond doubt” what do we do about that? bump another kid out of our preferred gifted program? (Try to) Switch to sending kid to a school that would require a bus trip instead of a 3 minute walk?

    And, anyway, which score was the “accurate” one? The “only” 96% one, or the 99.96% one? I dont believe for a second that the variance is the result of other kids prepping, but the vagaries of a short test with such (supposedly) long tails–1 or 2 brain freezes is all it might take to move 3%.

  • 23. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  May 1, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Chris, the CPS test does not test IQ. CPS will tell you that it does not, rather it tests school ability. The standard IQ tests accepted as valid measurements of intellectual ability, such as the WISC, are made up of 10 subtests which test different cognitive skills plus processing speed and memory. They take several hours to administer and must be scored by a trained psychologist, not grad students at IIT. The “130 is approximately the 98th percentile” does not refer to the 98th percentile of IQ, but the 98th percentile who took whatever test it is that CPS is using. There has been speculation in the past regarding what the heck the CPS test is, on this blog and on other local parent sites. The best guess seems to be that it is one or two subtests from one of the standard IQ tests. Many people have concluded that the usefulness of the CPS test is limited to trying to get in an “options program” class, and confirming your child is bright, There are so many kids who score wildly different on the CPS test from one year to the next, 20-30 points; it kind of confirms it’s not an IQ test. No test that gave such variable results would be accepted as a reliable indicator of IQ. So, if you really want to know, have to pay a psychologist to give your child the full WISC, and maybe even wait until they are a few years older than 5 when many seem to think you are more likely to get a valid score.

  • 24. Chris  |  May 2, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    “Chris, the CPS test does not test IQ.”

    I understand that. Do you have a *different* understanding about how it is *scaled*? Serious–dead serious–question.

    And, ftr, 15SD is NOT a “IQ Test” term–it is about the shape of a bell curve. If you have–again dead serious question–better info about how they scale the CPS test, do share.

    As to taking an IQ test–why bother, unless it is for a program admission? I know my kids are dead bright, so does it matter to me if they are 90th, 96th, 99.96th percent bright? Not really.

    Finally, the real point of my post was–for all the people who are hung up on “gifted”ness, what *should* we do about a kid who demonstrates “beyond a doubt” giftedness at the “wrong” time (and, too, what is “beyond a doubt”?)? I used my kid as an example only–one time below 99th, but that was teh one that “counted” most. What do we do now? Bump a “less gifted” kid who happened to have better timing? Start with smaller K/1 gifted classes and increase the size in (say) 4th? (actually, that might be a good idea). What?

  • 25. RL Julia  |  May 2, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Chris – Just out of curiousity – what would you like the school your child currently attends to do to engage/serve her needs better?

  • 26. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  May 2, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I got your question and am aware of bell curve standard deviation of 15. . My point was that it is dubious that the CPS test demonstrates beyond a doubt giftedness. I did not state that directly,but was pointing out that since the percentile you get from the test does not indicate IQ relative to the entire population (the standard measure of giftedness), one CPS test result at 99percentile does not mean “beyond a doubt giftedness”, so you might not actually have the problem of a highly gifted kid needing a gifted class. That was your criterion as you stated it. That is, your problem seem to be predicated on beyond a doubt giftedness.

    But whatever. You know your kid is extremely bright. I’m not sure what you mean by “Do we bump a ‘less gifted’ kid? Are you referring to what should you do about your child’s chances to get into a CPS gifted class? Or talking general policy about accommodating gifted kids? Because then you talk about starting K/1 small classes and increasing size. If your real question is about the latter, personally, I think that is a quality way to do it, and one that some districts use. Gifted programs do fully ramp up until around grade 3, and kids are identified by test scores plus teacher recs.

  • 27. kikiandkyle  |  May 2, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Chris I didn’t see your earlier reply, my apologies.

    Our intention was to move to wherever the school located – because my husband works in the northern suburbs however it needed to be one of the north or northwestern schools. We were offered Beasley, which we didn’t apply for because it doesn’t work for us location wise, so of course we declined.

    To answer RL Julia’s question, even though it wasn’t directed at me, I’d like to see my daughter being given more work that is appropriate to her level, instead of the one hour per week each for math and reading that she gets. But more importantly, I’d like for her to be around more kids like her so she can be herself instead of always feeling the pressure to fit in with people who don’t really understand her. I think that’s perhaps more important than anything for some of these kids.

  • 28. CLB  |  May 8, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    @12 The NYT presented different stats:

    400 spots for 1,602 kids in the 99th percentile, but 2,656 preschoolers who scored at or above the 97th percentile were eligible for citywide gifted schools. So 1 in 4 of the 99th and only 15% of those eligible get a slot. A total of 4,912 students (those 99thers on down) qualified for a neighborhood gifted program but it is not clear that all 4,512 remaining would get a slot, although the city attempts to accommodate them. But it does switch schools offering the program each year to do so. So the school you attend one year for gifted might not be the school you attend next year.

  • 30. cpsobsessed  |  May 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Wow, fascinating article. I love how in some of the most affluent nyc neighborhoods, half the kids test test at the 90th percentile or high. They are going through for kindergarten what we have for the high schools here!

    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

  • 31. Chris  |  May 8, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    “so you might not actually have the problem of a highly gifted kid needing a gifted class. That was your criterion as you stated it.”

    I was working off of other comments (eg #21) in the thread. As I said, not too worried about it.

    And, yes, general policy, because folks get so (understandably) wound up about a “test” (evaluation) given to a 4 or 5 year old. Used my kid as an example, as it fit fairly neatly. Not too worried, as things seem to be working, for the most part.

    “Chris – Just out of curiousity – what would you like the school your child currently attends to do to engage/serve her needs better?”

    I’d like is a little more steady push toward harder material. Lazy-ish kid, getting good grades, and understanding the material, but not killing it (ie, getting stuff incorrect due to lack of focus, mostly), as should be the case with *most* of the homework/tests at this level. Young enough still that it doesn’t really matter, except as a bad habit thing. Mostly our job; nice if the school could do more to stretch, but understand why it’s a significant challenge.

    Also dislike some of the programtic instruction tools, especially for readin, but what are you going to do about that? Again, basically our issue as parents.

  • 32. NY-Dallas Mom  |  November 9, 2012 at 10:05 am

    I live in Dallas and my daughter moved from a private school to our neighborhood school. She gets 100s on everything she does, plays with older kids in the neighborhood (she’s in 2nd, they in 4th-6th) and people always just assume that she is older because of her maturity. She was evaluated for 2nd grade and did not get 95% on two of three variables. Her results were/are way out of whack from other testing that she’s had in the past. We are going to appeal, as we know other children in our neighborhood who got tested in KG, and apparently, those KG tests are way easier. Also, based on the kids that we know very well, it’s hard to believe that some of them are even IN.
    Here, once you’re “in” you’re “in.” And I KNOW that some of her peers would not score where they scored now if they took the same test my daughter was given.
    I know it won’t kill her not to be in the program, as it’s only an hour or so a week (kinda lame, if you ask me) but I know that she WANTS to be in it.

    Question is, what can we bring with us to actually help our case?
    She toilet trained herself at 18 mos and was going poo in the toilet! (a kid who’s “in” still poops in his pants!! 😉 )

  • 33. WhatsNew2  |  December 6, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    32 life is one big comparison!

  • 34. Top Preschools in Tribeca  |  October 25, 2013 at 7:01 am

    Most parents think their child is ‘gifted’, and want to give their children the best they can, but seeing how much money these parent spent and then their disappointment was probably a lot of pressure for the children.

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