2012 High School Admissions and Principal Discretion Part 3

March 6, 2012 at 5:38 am 202 comments

The PD handbook was supposed to have posted last night on cpsmagnet.org.  The application period will run March 9-23.

Continue to post high school admission info and questions here.

Please put any comments about the Tier debate here: https://cpsobsessed.com/2012/03/06/the-great-tier-debate/

FYI: Lake View High School is still taking applications this week and is having a community info session Weds 3/7 at 6:30.

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  • 1. Wondering  |  March 6, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Once the SEES results are out, is there a principal discretion process for Academic Centers?

  • 2. WRP Mom  |  March 6, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Unfortunately no, there is no principal discretion for Academic Centers (or RGC’s or Classical programs, for that matter).

  • 3. Chicago mom  |  March 6, 2012 at 9:50 am

    I don’t see the SEHS principal discretion. Am I missing it?

  • 4. cpsobsessed  |  March 6, 2012 at 9:53 am

    You don’t see the handbook? It didn’t appear to be posted yet as of late last night. Hopefully today…

    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

  • 5. justanotherchicagoparent  |  March 6, 2012 at 10:55 am

    The handbook is up now http://www.cpsoae.org/apps/news/show_news.jsp?REC_ID=236015&id=0

  • 6. Esmom  |  March 6, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Just received this info via email:

    Navigating Chicago School Admissions-What’s Next?

    March 10, 2012 @ 2-4 p.m.Sulzer Library, 4455 N. Lincoln
    Did you just hear or are waiting to hear from CPS regarding your child’s school admissions for next year? Did you miss the deadlines and are scrambling for school options this fall? Would you like to get a jump on the school search madness by learning some tips and tricks, including “hidden gems?”

    Join Chicago School GPS at this FREE info session where we will provide an overview of the public and private Chicago school options, from preschool through high school. This session isgeared toward all parents: first timers wanting to learn about the school choices, those concerned about the 2012-2013 school year, and everyone in between.

    Please bring your wifi enabled devices to bookmark some informative websites.
    Space is limited! Please visit http://www.chischoolgps.com to learn more.
    Email your RSVP to info@chischoolgps.com or call 312.324.GPS4.

  • 7. mom  |  March 6, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Unless I missed it, I’m not sure this question was answered previously.

    Question 1: Both second-round letter (if any at all) AND principle discretion process will take quite a few weeks “past” the deadline for when we’re supposed to register for our local high school. Should I register student at neighborhood school anyway – just in case? Does that put my student in some sort of electronic system/data base where she might NOT be considered for the other two possibilities since she would essentially be already registered?

    Question 2: Does that SE test score have any bearing on how good a student’s chances are of getting into a SE high school? If, for example, they were “really” close – or worse, if they lost out on a tie-breaker, do they stand a better chance for getting in?

  • 8. momof3boys  |  March 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    @7 the pd doesn’t use the scores but i think a high score may help the cause. i thought there are six categories, but i could be wrong. you can use one or more and basically write an essay as to you should get in (student is supposed to write the essay). at least 2 letters of recommendation and evidence (Photos) of what ever category you choose, ie. sports awards, volunteering, any extra curricular. My son did it last year (he didnt score very high) and there were tons of apps for the 10-12 spots. it’s probably going to be worse this year…

  • 9. momof3boys  |  March 6, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    I was wrong. there are four categories and i thought last year it was 1% of the freshman class, but i could be wrong about that too… so this year, i guess it’s up to 5%.

  • 10. stacey  |  March 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Once again, CPS is fudging its admissions numbers.

    The PD numbers listed on the OAE website reveal that more seats were available than were filled by the admissions process.

    For example, Payton admitted 200 students according to CPS, yet there are 13 PD seats available. If PD is 5% of the total seats, then there were 260 seats available.

    What happened to the other 60 seats?

    (Even if CPS include the 13 seats in the 260 total, it still has not accounted for 47 seats.)

  • 11. mom  |  March 6, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    @8/9 My questions are not so much about “how” the PD works, but rather the other parts of my post…

    thank you for your insight, though! 🙂

  • 12. momof3boys  |  March 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    @11 registering your child doesnt effect the pd process. i registered my son at lincoln park and waited for the decision. then when he rec’d the acceptance, we gave it to his school counselor who unregistered him from lincoln park to lane. but the answer to your second question is that the SE score bear no weight (my son score low due to a bombed SE test. all the apps received are weighed in equally and reviewed by the panel.

  • 13. Chris  |  March 6, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    “For example, Payton admitted 200 students according to CPS, yet there are 13 PD seats available. If PD is 5% of the total seats, then there were 260 seats available. ”

    Or they added 2 seats to PD:

    200 + 13 = 213 * 5% = 10.65, round up = 11.

  • 14. mom  |  March 6, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    You’re absolutely correct @12.

    I just got off the phone w/a woman named Brenda at the OAE office. She confirmed that registering my student at the neighborhood school (NOT IB or any special prgm) had no bearing on her chances of either 1. their chances at a seat via PD (which she repeated at Lane would be 60 available, OR, 2. their chances at a seat via a second round (after the 1st round has accepted/declined seats that were offered to them, and provided there IS one). So it looks like I’ll be registering at our neighborhood school just in case neither of those two scenarios apply to us.

    She also confirmed that the PD is totally subjective, and (qualifying) scores may have nothing to do with the selection of a student.

    Thanks again, just wanted to check and see what the “official” word was!

  • 15. Heather Earnhart  |  March 7, 2012 at 12:04 am

    The more I read and learn, the harder it is to believe. I wish all of you the best in this crazy race.


  • 16. CPS depressed  |  March 7, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Silly question, but shouldn’t Principal Discretion be the way kids who don’t make it into a school by merit (test scores: ISAT for knowedge, Entrance exam for aptitude) get in? That way the kids who are really needing a break due to difficult circumstances (parent dying in 7th grade, etc.) actually get in…not by these goofy tiers. Make the schools with mostly AP courses like Northside and Payton have a requirement like a minimum of 80th or 90th percentile on ISATS to qualify so they aren’t overwhelmed for four years if accepted. I mean we don’t send 8th graders straight to Harvard do we? They have to do the high school coursework before they go on to college. If you’re stuck at a low performing elementary school, how does even the brightest kid manage to go from that to AP courses? Also, make PD 20-25 percent, the rest by merit. Just a thought.

  • 17. tytyo8  |  March 7, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    The alloted amount of students that each school has for PD:


    Good Luck!!!

  • 18. Curious  |  March 7, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    @momof3boys – if i followed your threads properly, it sounds like your son was selected for Lane via principal pick. Any suggestions for the rest of us? Have a 7th grader, and just like everyone else on this board, thought Lane was our safety (yet wanted) pick. Was it sports/music/public service that gave him the edge? LT is a very well-rounded school.

  • 19. Fourbsbadforme  |  March 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Can anyone who was accepted to Lane with Dr. Lobosco as principal please post their principal discretion letters? I have momof3boy’s bookmarked, because it really helps to know what a principal is looking for. This is my last chance at any good school, and it would be a HUGE help!

  • 20. The Taft story....  |  March 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Our local paper printed a Taft story today. To sum it up:

    1. Enrollment was up from 800 last year, to 2.800 this year.

    2. Acceptance of neighborhood kids dropped from 80% in previous years to about 40%. Even though local kids that were give an interview were given extra points to increase their ranking, not enough qualified.

    3. Exact quote from the paper:
    Assistant principal said that the number of classes take by students this fall could increase from seven to eight due to the school system’s “full school day” mandate which will add about 50 minutes to the school day. Taft had planned to use the extra time for tutoring and enrichment activities, but the North-Northwest Network for High Schools has informed school officials that the time should be used for formal instruction in a class with a syllabus and grades for students. “Is this the best plan? No, but this is what we have been told to do now. We have near 3.000 students with diverse needs. I don’t think all of our students need or can handle an eighth class”

    4. AP said the school was given the option of block scheduling, which calls for double-period classes, but that change would result in many students either eating lunch before 9:24am or after 2pm.

    5. The Taft Parent Association has collected more than 1,000 signatures on petition opposing the mandate for a longer school day.

    6. School system is impending Taft’s efforts to remove students who used a falsified address to enroll because of initiatives aimed at giving parents more choices in student’s education. A representative of Alderman Mary O’Connor told the LSC that other schools have made similar complaints.
    “The board does not want to do that because they don’t want to deal with the parents” Tarvardian said of the difficulty in transferring the students to their neighborhood schools.
    CPS press secretary Marielle Sainvilus said that she would look into Taft’s concerns but that claims of falsified enrollment forms are turned over to the Law Department for an investigation. “There is a process that has to be followed” Sainvilus said.

    My personal comment:

    Schools are asked to come up with the full day proposal and then told they can’t do what their students really need, but need to have an extra class?
    Supposedly schools can’t be trusted to know what their student population really needs?
    Brizzard has publicly said many times, that individual schools will be allowed to tailor the full day to their specific needs, but does not sound like that.

  • 21. The Taft story....  |  March 7, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    that is Taft IB program… a very important fact I omitted. Sorry!

  • 22. cps parent  |  March 7, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    principal powers mentioned that jones prep will be accepting a few transfers for next years sophomore class when jones moves to its new building. i think he mentioned 20-30 transfers would be admitted.
    if you didn’t make it this year, work hard, apply yourself and you have a chance to transfer fall of 13 for the class of 16. jones admitted 230-240 this year. when the new building is built the class sizes will increase to 300. hope this is helpful information.

  • 23. Danaidh  |  March 7, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    I haven’t seen the newspaper story you mention, but that first fact is wrong:

    1. Enrollment was up from 800 last year, to 2.800 this year.

    Enrollment is just short of 3,000 in the current year, and the school has seen steady increases in all but one year since 2000. I’m not aware that the school has ever seen an enrollment as low as 800. CPS estimates that Taft is 37% over its ideal enrollment based on its facilities.

    Perhaps you are speaking about the applications to the IB program. I understand that the number of applications increased dramatically.

    I think it’s a shame that CPS took over the IB programs at neighborhood high schools. When the programs (other than Lincoln Park) were put in place during the Vallas administration, the goal was to make the neighborhood schools more desirable to their own neighborhoods. We’ve been told that there are students who live a block or two from the school that were accepted at other SE or IB schools, but denied admission to Taft.

    Taft has an academic center (for grades 7 and 8) and an IB program. The vast majority of its students are from the local communities and face no requirements (other than residency) for admission.

  • 24. The Taft story....  |  March 7, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    yes, I corrected myself, it was pertaining to the Taft IB. sorry again

  • 25. momof3boys  |  March 7, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    @18.. my son was picked through pd. he wrote about 3 of 4 criteria- unique skills, extenuating circumstances, demonstrating ability to overcome hardship. it was a great essay, IMO and i posted it on one of the posts last year. i guess my only advise is to make sure that you follow the directions, do not include way too much “evidence” ( heard of people with packets 2 inches thick; his was just his essay, 3 letters of recommendation, and 1 page of 9 pictures, and a few certificates…

    it’s basically a “why should we pick you” essay. we hand delivered and prayed! but we also enrolled at lincoln park because we knew what the odds were and actually i was very excited about lincoln park and the fact he would be taking HH classes. i’m not sure if having his brother there helped because we know people who have siblings and still did not get in. but we definitely had him put in the essay that his brother is a current student and a record holder and hoped that would sway them. i believe his essay told his story well. my son is really smart but he tests terrible.

    i’m not sure about this but i thought i heard that dr lobosco does not even look at the packets because of some past practices. the packets are supposedly read by a panel and then the picks are just presented to her to sign off…

  • 26. momof3boys  |  March 7, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    @19 do you do sports, volunteer, etc? if so, i would definitely include that in your essay. also, you may want to explain why you rec’d f b’s. if your previous grades had better grades then i would include that too and your current 8th grade grades. one of your teachers should write a letter. the other one should be from a coach, if you play sports or supervisor, if you do community services.

  • 27. oldtown  |  March 8, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    @momof3boys, I too know of student who was accepted at Northside from PD. This student also has an older sibling at the school.

    Maybe there is an unofficial sibling preference for PD acceptances?

  • 28. Fourbsbadforme  |  March 8, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    So, so far I have a letter from my principal, my battle of the books coach, and am going to pick the best teacher letter once they all get back to me.
    I have copies of swimming and volleyball medals and ribbons, a pic of the battle of the books trophy, and the medal I got for it.

    Last year my mom and I had to take care of my sick grandpa. He didn’t die during the school year, but it was still hard for me. That probably is what caused my grades to drop. How do I give CPS the evidence of extenuating circumstances they asked for in the packet?

    And I have a lot of volunteer work and missions trips I intend on including. I saw some of my classmates letters, and they seem so much better than mine! I’m kind of nervous.

    Do I mention that I wasn’t accepted anywhere else, and lane is my only option, but also my
    First choice? Because I know most of the kids from my school could easily afford a private school. Plus, lakeview is the neighborhood school for most of them.

    Thanks for the advice!

  • 29. chicago mom  |  March 8, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    You sound like a great kid. Best of luck!!!!

  • 30. HS Mom  |  March 8, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    You might want to talk a bit more about your Grandpa. The respect you have for his wisdom and life, caring for him instead of putting him in a hospital or getting outside help. How did he and the experience effect your life. Missions? That sounds important/unique. How did your participation make a difference.

    I would not mention other options or lack of. It’s not necessary and doesn’t say anything about you. If your school has a tougher grade scale or curriculum, I would talk about that along with particular subjects that you excel at.

    Have an adult or teacher read it over but don’t lose your character, be honest, be yourself and good luck!

  • 31. mom  |  March 8, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    You sound like someone Lane would be proud to have as a student. Best of luck and keep us posted!

  • 32. pantherdolphin  |  March 8, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Can I ask about the letters of recommendation? Do they have to be blind letters in sealed envelopes? We were hoping to get as many letters as we can from the teachers and pick the best ones but we are not sure. Also for PD, how much does parent involvement in PTA/LSC have bearing on the kids’ chances of getting in? Any insight into this matter?

  • 33. local  |  March 8, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    To prove extenuating circumstances in your case a signed letter from grandpa’s doctor would do it.

  • 34. Wondering  |  March 8, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Cpsobsessed: this is certainly a bright spot for this blog–Parents giving the student tips on submitting the best principal discretion application he/she can and wishing him/her luck. So refreshing after some of the negative posts once the high school acceptance letters came out. Thanks for hosting! This blog is valuable.

  • 35. LPHS Mom  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Where would one find conversation or discussion about Lincoln Park High School on this blog? I’m looking for more information and not finding it here. Thanks

  • 36. momof3boys  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:53 am

    Parental involvement in the lsc, pta, etc have no bearing…

  • 37. Done waiting  |  March 9, 2012 at 8:04 am

    LPHS – we’re going with the double honors program this fall. We were very pleased with the teachers, students, and curriculum at the Informational Meeting last Tuesday. Happy with our choice.

  • 38. chicagodad  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:11 am

    I hope this is the right place to post this, but everyone needs to know that 8 kids who do not yet live in Chicago have been admitted to Northside College Prep. They must have a Chicago address before school starts. This is CPS policy and totally beyond the control of any selective school. These places should have gone to Chicago kids. I have no info on other selective high schools. The person who passed this on to me was totally exhausted at the time and was a bit unsure on it being 8 kids, but totally sure that this occurred and of the policy. Color me outraged.

  • 39. PortageParent  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:23 am

    38 – Yep, I was surprised last year when one of the kids at our RGC had just moved in from the ‘burbs. But, they really did move into the city…no faking. I’m just not sure how I feel about that CPS policy. On the one hand, it seems like you should have to be a resident during the application process. On the other hand, what if someone is moving here from out of state? Should they just not be able to attend a CPS selective school? I don’t know…lots to consider.

  • 40. edb  |  March 9, 2012 at 9:39 am

    @38 – Ihave no problem with this as long as the families move to Chicago before the deadline. I think it would be more unfair to prevent students who were moving into Chicago from having the opportunity to apply. These students are only eligible for the rank pool, and do not get any consideration with a Tier. From my experience with entry to an RCG for K, residency is checked, I can only imagine there is at least the same, if not more rigor at the SEHS level.

  • 41. OMG  |  March 9, 2012 at 10:59 am


    Every year there are students who test from the suburbs. If they are accepted then they have to move into the city by July 1st. I do not see anything wrong with that as long as they move into the city. It is public education and if they meet the requirements to get it then they earned it.

  • 42. RL Julia  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Have a good friend moving from Idaho to take care of her aging parents. Her son is going into 9th grade, scores perfectly on his standardized tests, gets great grades etc… Why shouldn’t he be allowed to attend Northside if he got in? If anything, I applaud their ability to negotiate this crazy from 1,000 miles away….and if they change their plans, well, that’s one more kid who gets an offer later on.

  • 43. Very sad Mom  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Does anyone knows anything about second round for SEH and how kids are being selected ? Is there any conflict beetwen second round and the PD ?

  • 44. Chicago mom  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Everyone read http://www.chicagonow.com/district-299-chicago-public-schools-blog/2012/03/tier-system-favors-private-schoolers/#/ . 29 percent of private chool students got into Payton. That is because they use an address in tier 1 or tier2 when thy live in tier 4 . This is wrong. We need to bust these people!

  • 45. Chicago mom  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:40 am

    They are using addresses they don’t reside at. Wrong wrong wrong

  • 46. pantherdolphin  |  March 9, 2012 at 11:44 am

    I sure hope that parental involvement/non involvement have no bearing on the KIDS’ chance of getting into a school through PD. However, this is Chicago and this is CPS. We will do our best on the PD process. I hope all the students their very best this week on ISAT.

  • 47. chicagodad  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    To fine tune my remarks and thank those who pointed out the need to do that: If you are moving in from out of state or any have other legitimate reason for applying to CPS before you live here, that’s OK by me and I support your efforts to get your child into the best school you can. I am against those who have great choices in the suburbs surrounding Chicago but want to come here for the cachet of Northside or Payton gaming the system. Repeat and expand: gaming the system when your existing choices are just fine. I cannot condone that. Thanks again to those who pointed this out. I am also against those who can afford to rent an apartment in tier 1 but who live in tier 4 gaming the system.

  • 48. chicago mom  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Everyone should call the media and lets bust these people renting apartments in tier 1 and 2 to get into Payton. All Cps needs to do is do home checks on people in tier 1 and 2 , very simple!!!!!

  • 49. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    @ 44, 45, 48 chicago mom —

    I’ve read the articles you cited. I don’t anything in there proving (or even suggesting) that parents of private school students are falsifying their addresses or otherwise doing anything wrong. They are, of course, Chicago residents — and they have every right in the world to have their students apply to these public high schools. On what basis do you claim there is fraud, much less the widespread fraud you seem so very upset about?

  • 50. chicago mom  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Trust me, if CPS or anyone decided to do home visits from private school applicants many spots would open up at Payton and Northside!!!! I have no problem the system but I have a problem with people not playing fair. What is this teaching your children? I interviewed last year at a private school and I was told by admin that you must rent an apartment in tier 1 or tier 2 to get in to the SE HS !!!!! If your address is tier 1 or 2 your scores can be much lower! The system works if people follow the rules! I hope these people get busted!

  • 51. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    @ 50 —

    So, you have no proof whatsoever. Rumor, innuendo, and a lot of exclamation points. Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 52. chicago mom  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:03 pm


  • 53. James  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    @ 52 —

    So report the names you have. But your hysterical broadbrush allegations that this abuse is widespread and primarily perpetrated by evil private school parents is baseless and ridiculous.

  • 54. ChicagoGawker  |  March 9, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Yes, then turn them in. Agree with @53.

  • 55. OutsideLookingIn  |  March 9, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    @44 – “29 percent of private school students got into Payton.”

    No, 29 percent of Payton’s freshman class came from private schools.

    Also, it appears that there’s an assumption that 100 percent of private school students come from tier 4 neighborhoods. I doubt this is the case.

  • 56. RL Julia  |  March 10, 2012 at 9:13 am

    55 – good point.
    40 – I appreciate the good will on those moving out of state – as for the 8 kids – I can easily think of eight good, legitimate reasons why a kid might live in the suburbs and apply for an SEHS – lets start with custody agreements- not getting along with suburban parent, wants primary address to be in city, custodial parent in suburbs wants to move to city or is moving far away and kid wants to stay in Chicago etc… there are millions of legitimate reasons that a family might want to move to Chicago from the suburbs and don’t forget- suburban schools are just as picky about where their students live – they want to charge tuition for those kids too!

  • 57. Me  |  March 10, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Hello, someone please help me.
    I did not get accepted into none of the schools that I applied for. But I am very bright and everyone who has dealt with me academically knows that because I’ve been on the honor roll all my life, I was just very nervous while taking the test. Can someone post their winning principal discretion letter and name what school it was for? Or can you give me a sample or template for the perfect letter? I really need to get into these schools because I only applied for the Selective Enrollment High Schools. Also, which would be easier to get in through principal discretion, Jones Commercial or Whitney Young High School?

  • 58. local  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    To Me: You should tell a story in your letter ans explain what’s unique or special about you that would be a good addition to the school. You’re basically writing a college admissions essay, so follow that modle, which is easily found.

  • 59. local  |  March 10, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Excuse typos

  • 60. jessi  |  March 10, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    can i still apply to lane nxt yr in sophmore year?

  • 61. kikiandkyle  |  March 10, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    We’re applying from the north suburbs for SEES. While we’re excited at the possibility of moving back to the city, our motivation is getting our gifted child into a public gifted school. CPS is the only district that has them, and we can’t afford $17k per year for any of the private ones. She isn’t getting the education she needs in her small suburban school, so this is our only option. Those of us with truly gifted children have to take whatever opportunities we can get, because nobody else is looking out for our kids.

    Nobody complains when Chicago families move to Winnetka or Lincolnshire in July/August to have their kids attend New Trier or Stevenson. And trust me, taxes in these districts are considerably higher than they are in Chicago.

  • 62. Lakeview Dad  |  March 10, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    @ 61 – Welcome back to the city! Good to hear that people are willing to migrate IN for school, not just OUT. Best of luck to you.

  • 63. anonymouseteacher  |  March 11, 2012 at 9:18 am

    I have a profoundly gifted student in my classroom. He’s 5 and is working at least 5-6 years ahead. At least. I am desperately trying to get the family to apply for gifted programs in the city even though I know that CPS can’t even really serve him well there. There isn’t a public gifted program in the state that I know of that serves profoundly gifted kids well. I am deeply concerned for him.

  • 64. RL Julia  |  March 11, 2012 at 9:54 am

    61 & 63- If you have a profoundly gifted child, I really wouldn’t pin my hopes on CPS being more than part of the solution for your child. There are may be more profoundly gifted children in their system -and pockets of resources within the system (wish I knew where they were) but on the spectrum of children with special needs, the gifted are low on the list of an overstretched, under-funded budget.

    If you have followed this blog – you will note that the regional gifted centers (RGCs) are considered for many families, the only acceptable CPS elementary school option – unfortunately this does not bode well for the profoundly gifted child gaining entrance past the kindergarten (or first grade) enrollment period as the populations of these programs are relatively stable.

    On a more positive note, I would talk to the people at the Center for Talent Development at Northwestern (if you haven’t already) and Davidson Institute(http://www.davidsongifted.org/), as well as MIT’s open university program- more locally you could check out my friend Kim’s blog about parenting profoundly gifted kids in the suburbs… http://hormonecoloreddays.blogspot.com/search/label/gifted. She’s a wealth of information on the topic.

    Good luck.

  • 65. Melanie  |  March 11, 2012 at 9:55 am

    can you do principals discretion to 3 schools? can u do 3 different applications?

  • 66. chicagodad  |  March 11, 2012 at 11:00 am

    @20 and FYI for all: On the longer day, it should be no surprise the the Reject from Rochester, Broad Toadie Brizard claimed that schools could do what they knew to be best for their students but in fact are forbidden to do anything other than what the board dictates. They have also changed the rules on turn arounds. It used to be that a school with a new Principle, one selected by the LSC, had 2 years to make progress under new leadership. Not so with Piccolo who hired a very promising principal in June 2010 who will now be out of work at the close of school this June. So much for parent involvement.

  • 67. local  |  March 11, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Anymouse – I wonder if that child’s parents should request in writing an evaluation for sped and if no response from cps go to sctate mediation to get this kid into the program he needs. Giftedness can be a disability. Consult atty.

  • 68. anonymouseteacher  |  March 11, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    @66, do you know, what can CPS offer him though? From what I understand there is no help available for kids who are gifted like he is. The parents really want him to stay with us at the neighborhood school. My principal and I are working on what we can do “in house”. We’ll see. I am also looking into if I can finagle a scholarship of some sort for him to attend either NU’s or NLU’s gifted programs outside the school day. Thanks though for the advice.

  • 69. gifted..  |  March 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    I know of a child in the same gifted arena. The mom had to make the decision to home school him.

  • 70. Chicago Gawker  |  March 11, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    @61 kikiandkyle. Be sure you know what you’re getting with the CPS gifted programs before you do a move just to send your child to one;it may not be worth it. They are better than nothing for a gifted child, but they are certainly not ideal gifted education. Generally, the classes are accelerated by one year, and the opportunities for creative and critical thinking, extended projects etc. vary greatly by school and teacher. CPS is worksheet and test driven and that does not lend itself well to education of the truly gifted.

  • 71. CJ  |  March 11, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    My daughter got accepted at Von Steuben’s Scholars program which has pretty impressive results. Not sure if I should try for a principal discretion spot or just stick with what we have, which we like, but we are new to high school in Chicago.

    They should bust anyone lying about where they live. I don’t have a problem with the ones that are truthful about where they live and hoping for a vacant spot in a better school. You need more proof of address to get a library card.

  • 72. Chicago mom  |  March 11, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Von Steuben is great. You have nothing to lose by doing PD. good luck. Yes you need a utility bill to register for neighborhood school. They need to do spot checks. Send a letter to Cps. Please or the media.

  • 73. Jen  |  March 12, 2012 at 1:03 am

    @68 the more I research gifted education, the more I realize that there are a shocking number of parents who are being left with no choice but to homeschool their kids because the school system just cannot accommodate them.

  • 74. HS Mom  |  March 12, 2012 at 9:10 am

    @50 and others – And if no one is home 9-5 how many return trips do they make?

    I don’t want CPS spending any funding dollars making spot checks or using manpower/resources verifying addresses. The money should go to educating children not policing a flawed system. Have an application system that allows students to apply based upon need and those applicants to provide verification.

  • 75. momof3boys  |  March 12, 2012 at 10:45 am

    i posted my son’s letter last year but i really don’t think there is a “winning letter” because everyone has their own story and you can’t just cut and paste someone else’s story. remember, it’s subjective… just follow the directions and make sure you don’t have a packet that’s two inches thick even though you think it’s worth to copy every single award or certificate. make sure you back up whichever category/ies you pick with evidence, whether it’s worded or pictures. that’s my advice.

  • 76. Student  |  March 12, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    This year I got into Northside with 895 points. Although I am really happy, I put Payton as my first choice, but since I live in tier 4 I missed out by one point. I am thinking to try principle discretion for Payton. I thought I had the credentials (Good score, diverse, play sports, involved in community) to make the 14 spots. After I saw the criteria for PP, my impression was it was directed for underprivileged kids. I would like some opinions if there is much point to apply.

  • 77. cpsobsessed  |  March 12, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I think its always worth applying if you feel you have something to say besides good grades and test scores.
    Also, if there’s a reason you feel you’d bring something to the school or be a good fit, include that. Is there a certain club or something you have the desire to lead? Maybe the school would be looking for that.
    It’s so hard to say what each principal would be looking for and that might vary year to year.
    If you don’t make it, it could just be that a kid came along who had some certain skills the school needs.
    Why not give it a try?

    Good luck!

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  • 78. Katie  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    does anyone know how many people are applying for the PD at Walter Payton College Prep, or Northside?

  • 79. Katie  |  March 12, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    To apply for PD do you have to give up your spot at your SE school, and can you apply for more than one school for PD?

  • 80. cpsobsessed  |  March 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Based on the handbook at cpsmagnet.org it says you do not have to decline a spot to apply and you can apply for PD at only one school.

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  • 81. junior  |  March 13, 2012 at 11:09 am

    @63 anonymouseteacher

    An option for this child might be a Montessori classroom where he can work at his own pace on his own individualized projects.

    Sounds like he would be bored even in a classroom that works a couple grades ahead. Montessori also helps him to develop good work habits, whereas if you have gifted kids in classrooms where the learning comes too easy, they do not learn how to stretch themselves and overcome difficult challenges.

    Also, when I was in school, they allowed select students to leave their neighborhood school for one or two mornings a week to attend special programs (usually at high schools or colleges). Don’t know if such programs still exist — they often focuse on a single topic, such as gifted math. The child would then be excused from the work in his regular math class to allow him to work on homework from his gifted math class.

  • 82. Family Friend  |  March 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    My daughter was in Payton’s second graduating class, but she certainly would not be admitted today. It’s scary, and for children whose parents don’t have the time, energy or skills to support them in the application process, admission may be impossible. To me, that’s one of the primary reasons for giving preference to students from low-income areas. I have spent many hours since last fall – at least 100 and probably many more – working with the child of a family friend on HS admissions. My idea was to try for everything, and choose the best option when all results are in. So far, she’s admitted to Rickover, Noble Street, and Ogden IB, and has a good shot at PD acceptance to Lane. She is an extremely bright girl, and works very hard. She is a terrible test taker, and also did not speak a word of English two years ago (but you should hear her now!). She’s smart enough that the sky’s the limit, and I think it’s reasonable to expect she will score in the high 20s on the ACT. I think Noble Street will give her the support to do that, but, subject to more investigation, I think Ogden might be the better option. But what if she is accepted to Lane? She will be at the bottom of a class that, to an outsider, seems rigidly tracked. I am not sure that’s the best way for her to excel. Is there anyone who can tell me whether/how someone who does not score well at the outset can advance to the more rigorous courses at Lane? Thanks!

  • 83. PortageParent  |  March 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Just out of curiosity, a random question…

    Does anyone around here know if/how previously home-schooled kids can apply to SEHS? Obviously, they could pay to take an ISAT (or whichever) and take the entrance exam, but what about grades?

  • 84. anonymouseteacher  |  March 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    @81, I am pretty sure the family doesn’t have the resources for a private education, but I do appreciate the thought. My administrator and I are hoping to work some things out for him within our school. I have him working in a much higher math book and he gets reading instruction from me about 10-15 minutes a day in his own little reading group. (all my students are in groups, but he’s alone because he’s so high) We’ll see what happens.

  • 85. RationalRationing  |  March 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    84 – A couple of things. For math / science – if he’s really working at double his age level, i.e., 200 IQ territory, maybe the staff at IMSA can steer you towards resources. Also, Khan Academy .com has evolved nicely to having “badges” and things for people working at their own pace. Northwestern’s Center for Talent Development has stuff for PreK and up, but not sure how funding works at those ages.

  • 86. Anonymous  |  March 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    @83 – I am guessing you know of a homeschooled child who got into a SEHS, and question the fairness.

    I don’t see an unschooler being interested in a SEHS.

    I expect that a homeschooler would be treated like any private/charter school student. These students must submit paperwork with their application (cannot do it online). CPS does want grades/cum card, transcript, and a report card along with their application. Remember that many homeschoolers pay tuition for a private school education – it’s just at home – the school provides teachers, record keeping and so on. The students are often associated with a school.

    CPS does look at the paperwork included with the application because I know of homeschooled student who failed to include a cum card (didn’t know it was needed) and her app was sent back. CPS indicated that the updated app needed to be resubmitted by a certain date. The student contacted her school for the record and got the necessary paperwork back to CPS. Again, this student was connected with a school.

    This student also took the ISAT and SE test.

    I can’t speak on behalf of a completely independent homeschooled student.

  • 87. Fourbsbadforme  |  March 13, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    I know multiple homeschoolers who got into sehs. It’s so much easier for them. Their parents just put down they have all a’s. I only know one homeschooled kid who didn’t get in, and that was this year, and she was one point below the tier 4 lane cutoff.

  • 88. HS Mom  |  March 13, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    @87 – yes absolutely. And academic centers.

  • 89. ChiMom  |  March 13, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    It takes a big commitment for a parent to choose to homeschool a child. Let’s not starting throwing stones at them too.

  • 90. HS Mom  |  March 14, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Who’s throwing stones? I know I couldn’t do it.

  • 91. junior  |  March 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    We have some public Montessori magnet schools in the system now. Admission is by lottery.

  • 92. PortageParent  |  March 14, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    86 – No, I don’t know any homeschoolers who got into SEHS. It really was just a random thought that popped into my head. I actually don’t even know what a CUM card is…I googled but that really didn’t help.

  • 93. cpsobsessed  |  March 14, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    I *think* homeschoolers still have it pretty tough, although a lot has changed in the past few years.
    About 4-5 years ago there was a news story about a homeschooling mom from the chicago area whod gotten her daughter into harvard which was a big deal.
    I read about what this mom (and child) and done and it was really incredible. It was much more than studying at home and giving her kid “A’s”.

    And yeah, wth is a cum card? I’m not even gonna google that one.

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  • 94. parent  |  March 14, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    It is short for cumulative card.

  • 95. Family Friend  |  March 15, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    @86: Charter school students are CPS students. They have CPS student ID numbers and their ISATs are in the system, as are their grades.

  • 96. Me  |  March 15, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Which schools will be the easiet to get in through Principal Discretion? Name them from easiest to hardest. I really need to know because I only applied for these schools, so I have to get in.
    Do not count Northside, Lane, or Brooks.

  • 97. cpsobsessed  |  March 15, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    I’d assume that if you rank them by admission scores (see cpsmagnet.org for the cutoffs) the schools with lower cutoffs are probably easier to get into. But it all comes down to which school is the best fit for your unique skills….

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  • 98. charter parent  |  March 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    @95 – Yes, but charter school students still had to submit physical proof of their grades. The paperwork had to be attached to their application. Without it, then their application would be thrown out. Charter students couldn’t take full advantage of the online process.

  • 99. momof3boys  |  March 16, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    @me.. none of them are any easier than the other. your pd app is looked at by a panel of people so it is how you present yourself to them. there is no template or winning topic. whitney has more pd allotment than jones and payton.

  • 100. tier 4  |  March 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    #82 i would not worry too much if the child has a strong work ethic. My child had an almost perfect admission score and ended up at the bottom of the class at lane after freshman year. The admission counselor will look at each student and see if s/he should be placed in an honors class. After freshman year, if you have an A in a regular class or a B in an honors class, you qualify for honors. Most kids take a mix of honors and regular.

  • 101. Elizabeth  |  March 21, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    What is the estimated guess of how many students applying to principle discretion for selective enrollment highschools?

  • 102. mom  |  March 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    We dropped off application downtown today. They have a table in the lobby to accept them. They gave me a receipt for it.

  • 103. Peterson Mom  |  March 24, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Everything I read states that if your child is on the waiting list then you will receive a letter if their # comes up. I never received a letter but instead received a phone call from the Von Steuben counselor when I was out of town and did not have my cellphone. THe message states that if I didnt call her back within 24 hrs my son will lose his seat. I received this message 4 days later! Does anyone think I have a chance if I call or go to the school to explain my situation? I wasnt aware that they were calling or else I would have had my phone plasterd to my ear.

  • 104. HS Mom  |  March 24, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Call them right away to explain – can’t hurt. Chances are they can add 1 due to circumstances. Good luck.

  • 105. david  |  March 26, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    for those who did not get into their HS choice and will not attend neighborhood schools. have any of you decided to do a private catholic?
    If so, which one?
    i am curious because i am planning for my 6th grader, and have seen 2 catholic schools in the city, Holy trinity and Josephinum Academy, that look interesting.
    anyone have feedback on those 2.

  • 106. Davis-Gray  |  March 27, 2012 at 9:30 am

    @David, my daughter was accpepted at Mother McAuley liberal arts High School. It’s located on west 99th street which is still Chicago. We attended the open-house and my daughter also shadowed a student back in the fall. I was extremely pleased with the curriculum, extra curricular activites and the teachers. The only issue for me is the tuition. However, you should look into Mother McAuley.

  • 107. Great Minds  |  March 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    FWIW, if your child was interested in SEHS (and had scores to be up in the running), Holy Trinity and Josephinum may not be challenging enough. I assume you have a girl bc you mention Josephinum. How about St. Benedict’s? We are doing Trinity HS for girls in River Forest. They are college prep and they have IB as well.

  • 108. Great Minds  |  March 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Or Gordon Tech or Guerin Prep (both co-ed). Sorry, forgot those.

  • 109. david  |  March 27, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    thank you davis-gray & great minds.
    I am very familiar with mccauly, as i love near 83rd and pulaski, not too far away from the school. if i live on south side i will most likely send her there. We were planning on moving towards the near west side and wanted to see what private schools were near.

    great minds, yes i have a girl, and although she is only in 5th grade, i am preparing for the possibility she might not get into academic center of selective hs.

    davis- the tuition at josphinum & holy trinity is a lot cheaper then mccauly, but i don’t know much about those schools.

    thanks for feedback.

  • 110. MAC  |  March 30, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Just saw this message from the Principal in the Lane Tech PA newsletter:
    “While we are still in the middle of the admissions process I can share a few facts. It was harder to get into Lane this year. The lowest scoring student entering Lane is in the 86th percentile. We accepted a smaller freshman class (865) to make up for the oversized one admitted last year (1200). We will have a full Academic Center program (7th and 8th graders) with 240 students. The “principal discretion” process will bring in an additional 50-60 students (out of a pool of 800 applicants).”

    Most interesting is the smaller freshman class, which must account in part for the huge jump in cutoff scores for admission. Perhaps it will ease up next year.

  • 111. jes  |  April 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    i went for principal discretion.! i pray to god i made a spot AVAILABLE for me

  • 112. momof3boys  |  April 2, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    WOW! Dr LoBosco is retiring… Changes for LTHS

  • 113. mom2  |  April 2, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Annie Rice (assistant principal at Lane Tech) would be a terrific replacement for Dr. LoBosco. She was always so responsive and helpful when we needed help with various issues. This should be interesting.

  • 114. momof3boys  |  April 16, 2012 at 11:18 am

    FYI, the transfer applications are on Lane’s Website, if you’re interested..

  • 115. OutsideLookingIn  |  April 18, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I just saw in the Tribune that Principal Picks Letters are now in the mail.


  • 116. ChicagoGawker  |  April 18, 2012 at 11:41 am

    The last sentence was the most interesting of the article:

    “The principals have also been asked to give interim schools chief Terry Mazany recommendations on better policies to admit kids to the city’s most selective high schools by mid-May.”

    Start emailing the SEHS principals with recommendations for improvement of the current system.

  • 117. HS Mom  |  April 18, 2012 at 11:57 am

    article dated 4/18/2011

  • 118. OutsideLookingIn  |  April 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Oh dear, my bad. Sorry about my oversight on date.

  • 119. mom  |  April 19, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Oh man, that just made me nervous for mail arrival!! Looks like they are still going out on the 23rd. I just want it over with, to know or not to know~

  • 120. Sam  |  April 21, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    If my brother didn’t get in with the principal descretion is there another way to try and get him into the High School he wants to go to?

  • 121. jes  |  April 21, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    im nervous for the 23!!!

  • 122. Waiting...  |  April 21, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    I know someone who got an acceptance letter to Northside today.

  • 123. Lakeview Dad  |  April 21, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    PD letter arrived today. No dice for Northside, but our 8th grader has a spot at Whitney Young. Good luck everyone who applied.

  • 124. cpsobsessed  |  April 21, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    If you didn’t get in via PD, ask about a midyear transfer.

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  • 125. Sam  |  April 21, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Is it possible to get a midyear transfer from notre Dame to Lane Tech?

  • 126. cpsobsessed  |  April 21, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I’d ask any of the SE high schools about the midyear transfer. I think it’s one of the few “undefined” areas you can pursue if you’re willing to move a child after school begins.

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  • 127. Sam  |  April 21, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    can we start the process now, is there paper work to be done that we can start on now to get the ball rolling?

  • 128. RAR  |  April 21, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Rec’d “not selected” letter for PD @ WY. Letter was dated April 18th. Best regards for others are trying via principal discretion

  • 129. Rosemarie Clohisy  |  April 21, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Acceptance letter received today. Ours was dated April 20.

  • 130. cpsobsessed  |  April 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    @rosemarie: any advice to other parents on what you think worked?

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  • 131. ParentR  |  April 21, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    @130: Honestly, I don’t know how to answer that because I am assuming every situation is different.

    The only school he wanted to attend was Lane (where his brother is a sophomore) and he actually scored several points higher than my older son did when he went through the process but missed the cutoff by 3 points. Does having a sibling there help? I don’t know.

    His letters of recommendation were unbelievable. We are indebted to his teachers and coaches who took the time to write them.

    His essay was heartfelt and sincere. He stated his case very well. The director of admissions said that she had to read every single one of those essays herself so my son put a great deal of effort into it and it showed.

    As I write this, I am sure there are many kids who have written wonderful essays and submitted excellent letters of rec who are still, unfortunately, not being accepted to the school of their choice. I honestly will never be sure of what worked for him but we are extremely grateful for the outcome.

  • 132. justanotherchicagoparent  |  April 22, 2012 at 9:18 am

    @MAC thanks for sharing that Lane Tech info. Wow only 865 admitted + 53 principal discretion. That is a large drop off from last year. As a parent I kind of wish the acceptance openings for SE high schools stay the same each year.So many variables change each year. I also wonder if it will ease up next year or if these are the new numbers for admittance spots to Lane Tech, because of the 240 Academic Center spots.

  • 133. mom  |  April 22, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Denied PD to Northside. My daughter had a score of 894 and we are in tier 4, for which you needed 895. We thought we had a good chance given that and her great rec letters as well as her academic extracurriculars, which are many. She’s bummed.

  • 134. Sam  |  April 22, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    @mom wow that is not fair the grading was changed. For my brother he didnt get a great score but many kids didnt get in to Lane tech even though they got around 850. I’ve heard around that some of the schools are making it harder to get in because they accepted to many the year before
    For example I’m a freshman at Lane Tech and we have 1200 this year and they have to accept less. For northside i believe that is BS. she had an amazing score and should have gotten in even though it was 1 point off. I wish you the best of luck with her in HS!

  • 135. chicago mom  |  April 22, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    #133 where is your daughter going?

  • 136. mom  |  April 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Thanks 134, perhaps you and her will be friends as she will be going to Lane. 😉 I think she was upset as most of her friends got into NS, some with lower scores than her, but they lived in lesser tiers. It really is hard as she somehow feels as if she was “not good enough.”

  • 137. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  April 22, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    @134 “feeling not good enough” This is what the SEHS craziness is doing to our kids. I am seriously considering skipping the whole thing, not testing mine for it at all and sending her to the IB diploma program at Senn. I am now planning my campaign with her over the next 2 years to make her feel this is just fine even though all her friends will test prep and apply to all the SEHSs.

  • 138. mom2  |  April 22, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    133 your daughter will be very happy at Lane Tech. I can almost guarantee it. Two years ago, several of my child’s friends were unhappy when they first “only got into Lane” and they thought it was second best to some other place. Now that they are there, there isn’t one that I know of that would trade it for anything in the world. Amazing choices of courses and sport and clubs and wonderful friends and a real high school atmosphere. No complaints here.

  • 139. mom2  |  April 22, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    137 – I am all for all of us putting our efforts into the neighborhood high schools and setting our sites for our younger kids to go there rather than SEHS. It is a win/win for everyone if we do that. I hated every moment of 7th grade and prepping for the SE test in 8th. It is/was just nuts.

  • 140. SickTired  |  April 22, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Score: 839/Tier 4
    Status: Good enough for Lane Tech, but lost to same score (in tie-breaker)

    PD theme: Combination of unique skills, talent, community and volunteer work.
    Status: Still not good enough for Lane

    Moved to Chicago years ago: to give our kid opportunity at better education than small town, more culture, more diversity
    Status: Jaded

  • 141. MayfairAM  |  April 22, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Sorry to hear it SickTired. Hang in there….this city has got to have some good options for you and your child. Sending good vibes your way.

  • 142. mom  |  April 22, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    138, in my heart, I know she will be happy there eventually. Her heart is breaking for the loss of the friends she has spent the last 8 years with. They have become like siblings to her. I can truly see, she is mourning. My heart is breaking along with hers as there is nothing I can do. I feel so helpless.

    I just keep explaining that things sometime happen in life that are not fair and beyond our control. As much as we wish we could do something to change them, we can’t. She lost her daddy when she was 10, so she is no stranger to loss. She knows it very personally.

    It hurts so bad to watch her mourn this loss. I can feel her deep pain and in the end, I can only hold her and tell her it will get better.

    As parents, we want to sooth our children, stop their pain, make everything all better. This is just one of those things there is no “fixing.”. It is gut wrenching and incredibly painful. A broken heart is much like a broken bone, I can see the physical pain in her as a result of this. No amount of reasoning can do anything to change what she is experiencing, it will take time.

    I agree that no child should have to go through this and I wish we had never even got caught up in the whole SE thing. I’m sick over it.

    I really hate this.

  • 143. mom  |  April 22, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Ditto 141

  • 144. longtime cps mom  |  April 23, 2012 at 1:08 am

    Is there a way to find out why a child was not chosen for PD? My heart breaks for my child who wants nothing more than his first choice of high schools (based on offered curriculum–not on name prestige, friends’ acceptances or mommy bragging rights–which he will always have.)

  • 145. mom2  |  April 23, 2012 at 6:23 am

    @142 – I know words won’t help right now, but I can tell you that my child still hangs out with friends that ended up at other SE high schools and Lincoln Park. Often, because Lane has such nice grounds, many kids from the other schools come over to Lane after school just to hang out and say hello. They all still get together on weekends for sleepovers and parties and movies. It is very different than where I grew up in the suburbs and all we had was our specific high school friends. She won’t lose her friends if she doesn’t want to.
    During school and week nights, there really isn’t time for socializing anyway – at least not at the SEHS’s I’ve noticed.

  • 146. Lane mom  |  April 23, 2012 at 8:01 am

    @142: we went through a similar situation 2 years ago and I can tell you that the life long lesson that she will learn because of this is priceless. Life does bring disappointments and it does stink to go through it but she is expanding her pool of friends, not losing a group of them. She will realize that.

  • 147. momof3boys  |  April 23, 2012 at 8:24 am

    @142. your child will love Lane. I have 2 kids there and they love it! There’s lots more to offer than just studying your brains out. I really think she will get over the fact that her friends are going to Northside. There are many opportunities for them to get together. Lane is a great school and she will actually have a better chance be in the top 10% or 25% of the class than at NS where everyone wants to be Number 1. You have to look at the big picture- esp when it comes down to getting into college. im in that situation right now and Im glad my kid at Lane vs NS or Payton. He would have had a really hard time getting his rank. remember it REALLY is a numbers game.

  • 148. Tom  |  April 23, 2012 at 8:45 am

    We know a student whose letter named her a PD alternate at Payton. The letter says that she will hear in early May about whether any of those offered PD at Payton turned it down, in which case the spot is hers. Does anyone have any experience with this? Do kids turn down PD spots? Do alternates ever get in? Any advice for what, if anything, she should do to keep her name in the mix? What do they do if a kid has to pull out this summer? Is that spot filled? Is there a waiting list in addition to this PD one?

    This girl is in Tier Four and scored 895, missing the ridiculously high Tier Four cutoff at Payton by just one point. She put together a great PD application — but appears to have, once again, fallen just a half step short. Very disappointing, since she is an outstanding student, athlete, and kid, and she would add much to the Payton community. To come so close, twice, is just so very frustrating.

    Anyway, any advice or insights appreciated.

  • 149. cpsobsessed  |  April 23, 2012 at 8:57 am

    I think with trying to find out why a kid didn’t chosen for PD I wouldn’t explore it, personally. The PD process has nothing to do with who’s better than another. It’s about subjective factors that might change year to year – kids might have interests or activities that benefit the school in that specific year. Some schools prioritize siblings. I guess perhaps hearing that could help a child take it less personally now that I think about it.
    I’m not sure to what extent the schools have to justify their choices other than “there were students who we felt fit a need at the school this year or were a better fit.”. In fact, if they have an entire class full of kids who look the same on paper, they may not *want* the kid who was next in line for admission. Maybe they wat a kid whose talents are less academic and more artistic, athletic, etc to round things out.

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  • 150. AB1025  |  April 23, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Has anyone heard of “second round” notices? My daughter did not make it with PD and of course she is feeling very bad. I really hate how this process makes our kids feel, my heart is breaking right now.

  • 151. cpsobsessed  |  April 23, 2012 at 11:52 am

    My understanding is that the schools aren’t planning a second round this year as they have in the past. This could vary by school, but word has seemed to be that this won’t happen, unfortunately.

    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

  • 152. Very sad Mom  |  April 23, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Dear parents – I’m just wondering if any of your children from Tier 4 , not having older siblings in a school where you were applying for, had a chance to get in throw PD ? I have a feeling that our dauther’s papers didn’t even make it to the principal ! If I would write down details about my dauther , proppably you all would be in shock, that she wasn’t accepted! To me cps is forcing extramely brave and talented kids from Tier 4 to go to the private schools . What are we paying higher taxes for ? I’m sick of that !!!!! My heart goes to all broken hearts today !!!!

  • 153. Waiting...  |  April 23, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    #140 Sick/Tired – We are in a similar situation and I feel your pain and frustration. Where is your daughter going to go?

  • 154. AB1025  |  April 23, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    I really don’t know how they chose PD choices this year, my son attends the school that my daughter applied for, so the sibling thing might not even part of the decision. We are in Tier 4 also and we are suffering too. We provide for our kids and our kids get penalized…it is so frustrating!!

  • 155. CPS parent survey is open  |  April 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    What transparancy is provided by CPS to assure the public that some PD spaces aren’t saved for clout-kids?

  • 156. (Recovering from being) SickTired :-)  |  April 23, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    @153 – She’ll be going to Taft…and with every minute that passes, I’m more and more at peace with it. This morning, a very dear friend of mine had some words to share with me. I’m posting them here in hopes that at least one other person reading them can feel a bit better about their recent developments:

    “At this point you need to do whatever you can to make her comfortable with going to the neighborhood school. I can imagine that the process makes the kids believe that the goal is attainable, when the reality is that it’s not unlike winning the lottery. Given the odds, a positive outcome should be unexpected rather than the other way around. It is no way an indication of her, or her ability to succeed, and she needs to know that. She also needs to know that she can excel wherever she goes to school. She also needs to understand that getting into high school was never the end goal. She’s no further away from accomplishing whatever she wants to in life than she would have been had she gotten accepted into any of those schools. In some respects she may be better off. They’re the most successful schools but they don’t own all the successes. It’s still out there for her she just needs to work hard and claim it. Perhaps in spite of them, and most importantly because of herself.

    The reality is that many of those students who did get accepted will struggle, and eventually become disenchanted. They won’t rank high enough, or they won’t fit in, or they’ll try too hard to fit in. Not all of them will be successful. Your daughter now has a greater opportunity to shine. More than that she can flourish freely and fully without the added pressures. So once she reaches college she will understand life as much as any book and she will be more prepared for the experiences that lie ahead of her than many of those that will be attending the best SE schools next year.”

  • 157. AB1025  |  April 23, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    No second round for Lane..

  • 158. Very sad Mom  |  April 23, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    #152 Our dauther gave up a space in Lane Tech and made a discission to go to LP IB program. She has to say ” Good Bye ” to Japanese language , that she was learning for 9 years and she’s deeply in love with . What a shame ! Thanks for your support and best of luck !

  • 159. kate  |  April 23, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Dear “Recovering”,
    I think your dear friends words are true and so perfect…. not only for the H.S.’ers to be…. but they should ring true for many an Elementary/Kinder parent. These application/acceptance processes are so difficult & filled with angst.
    Best of luck in all her (your) scholarly endeavors.

  • 160. mom  |  April 23, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I appreciate all the thoughtful support here and I am so sorry for everyone who is going through this right now. It is absolute hell to see your child’s heart broken and be helpless to do anything about it.

    I believe my daughter will do well at Lane but it is hard getting that across to her right now. I understand and feel her pain. She has sort of been cocooned in the options program for the past 8 years and I know she must feel as if a rug has been pulled out from under her. All of a sudden, she will be in a school of 4500 and she has no idea how she will fit in there. It is hard to be 14, much less to deal with life changing events.

    I do agree with you 147, she will have an easier time making the top of her class at Lane. We have had that discussion, but she is not thinking that far ahead. I wish that was enough to comfort her at the moment, but all she is feeling is loss. I believe she will keep in touch with the friends she is closest to and I will encourage this in every way.

    I hope as the days and weeks pass, she will absorb, accept and eventually be very happy. As her mum, all I can do is to try and comfort her as best I can until that time comes.

    I am so sorry for us all.

    ((((group hug))))

  • 161. 1900new  |  April 23, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    I feel like chaining myself to the fence of the school my son CAN NOT GO TO……I honestly feel like I have lost my mind. My son is sad and I can hardly comfort him without breaking down. THIS SUCKS all the way around. I live in Tier 4, I make 20k a year and AND I pay 10k a year in property taxes. I wish I had moved away years ago. For 2 years we strived and tried and did selective prep and ISAT prep and open houses and forms and letter of principal discretion. Got letter saying we did not get in yesterday and cried myself to sleep……I feel like having an “After the Storm” support group.

  • 162. mom  |  April 23, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    161, the support group is right here, so you are in the right place. I am so sorry you are going through this and I know how you feel. I’d chain myself to that fence with you but I am afraid we would simply grow old and die there. CPS doesn’t care and they don’t have to collect those tears, we do.

  • 163. 1900new  |  April 23, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Thank you so much, very heartfelt.

  • 164. jes  |  April 23, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    …i feel the same way. i just got my letter today. wat a heartbreak. all i can think of..is that ” i wanst good enough for lane tech” all my hope and desire was in that skool. now its all gone. does anyone know if there are midtransfers for lane next year?

  • 165. momof3boys  |  April 23, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    there are no mid year transfers at lane but mid-april they have the transfer applications for the fall.

  • 166. mom  |  April 23, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    I’m so sorry Jes, you ARE good enough. It is the system that is flawed.

    Instead of assuring all schools are equal and strong, children are pitted against each other for minimal spots in the “top schools.” It feels barbaric and the pain it causes so many children and parents is a sin.

    Maybe kids like you and my daughter and others here can be the catalyst for change. Write letters. Call reporters. Let your voices and feelings be heard.

    We need to work on neighborhood schools and while I believe that is happening within CPS, it is happening slowwwlllyyyy. It did not get as bad as it is overnight and it is not going to change overnight either. In the meantime, options are limited at best.

    What I do know for sure right now is that I feel helpless for answers.

    Please be proud of yourself Jes and work hard, no matter what school you attend. Don’t let the system defeat you and do your best to do your best no matter the odds. You can beat them.

  • 167. jes  |  April 23, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Thank you @166 i really need to hear that. But its just not fair. I will work hard. even if that means going to roosevelt </3. i will still try for next yeear to transfer to lane tech.

  • 168. CPSFree  |  April 23, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    This has been a devastating, trying, long brutal process. If one could afford it, would British School, Chicago Waldorf, GCE, Lycee Francais, or Roycemore School be good alternatives?

  • 169. Pvt. Mom  |  April 24, 2012 at 10:22 am

    @CPSFree – Yes. We are very happy with our decision to go private and it is in large part due to the fact that we did not have to go through all of the stressful testing that would have been required to get into a magnet or selective enrollment elementary. Since our school is K-12, we also have a more or less “guaranteed” spot for high school (assuming that our kids continue to do well.) I could be wrong but I think the 9th grades are all full at the schools you have listed.

    I am heartbroken and angry at what the public system is doing to kids and families. In a weird way, I hope that by not participating in CPS I am opening up a slot for a family that cannot or will not make the choices we have. (Ironically, we might have had an easier time because we were coming from Tier 2!) Nevertheless, its a gift to have been able to simply focus on their education and not what their test scores are. Its already been discussed on this board how most kids in GT programs won’t fall into that range if tested again at the high school level. The whole point of education is that children will develop their capacities over time and for most people this is not the linear process standardized testing assumes. For many bright kids its probably a stepped or curvilinear process. This is why it is unconscionable to have such rigid gatekeeping for the best educational opportunities. I realize this blog is called “CPS obsessed” but I would encourage parents to also consider the fine private schools in Chicago. Most schools are looking for socioeconomic diversity so there will be financial aid available. It has been completely worth the sacrifices we have made to not have to worry about our kids measuring up “on time” in order for them to have access to an enriching educational environment.

  • 170. West Rogers Park Mom  |  April 24, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    I believe that Roycemore has openings for high school as many of their children leave after 8th grade; also I drove by Lycee Francais and they had a ‘now enrolling’ sign for upper grades- it may have been just 7th and 8th. If you can afford it by all means go for it. Unfortunately there are many who don’t qualify for aid and also can’t absorb high school tuition.

  • 171. CPSMom  |  April 24, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    British School of Chicago still has openings for high school and is a great option (IB, small class sizes, wonderful teachers, great bunch of kids staying for high school, very safe environment). It is, however, pricey. If you are interested in exploring further, you should call the school, and if you have financial constraints, be up front about them. The school has offered scholarships in the past (and likely not on a strict need basis), and is very interested in building its high school program.

  • 172. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  April 24, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    I am astonished to hear that British ever offered scholarships. It is a ‘for profit’ school. My understanding has been that it does no fund raising for scholarships and does not offer tuition breaks..

  • 173. Waiting...  |  April 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    @172 (IB obsessed) – We are considering the IB program at LP. What are your thoughts on their program and the notorious workload?

  • 174. Stephen Reynolds  |  April 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    We just posted an informational video on the Amundsen IB Program at http://www.friendsofamundsen.org I encourage everyone to visit and learn

    Also, the assistant principal, Brian Rogers will present and answer questions regarding the IB program tonight at 7:00 at Amundsen

  • 175. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  April 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    @172 check out http://www.ibsurvival.com, a website maintained by and for IB students, to give you a flavor for what the experience might be like. I’m certainly no expert, but can give you my thoughts – How does your child feel about writing? If they don’t enjoy it, and don’t want to be stretched in that area, it may not be a good fit. How about alot of reading? If your child is a math/science whiz and would find it exciting enjoyable to take multiple science AP courses, IB may not be a good fit. They have to take higher level exams in three areas, so cannot sit just in their strongest area.

  • 176. jes  |  April 24, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Is there any chance that u can transfer to a SEHS before the year starts.? I’m currently in 8th grade..and I’m going to my neighborhood skool…can I transfer to another high school or do I have to wait .?

  • 177. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  April 24, 2012 at 7:04 pm


    It’s too late for SEHS., Letters have gone out to those who tested and were accepted. Is there another neighborhood HS or magnet HS you might want to attend? If so, here’s what I would do. Call the school office and ask if there is any way you could get a spot for next year. It’s late, but you never know.

  • 178. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  April 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    @172 Also, how did LPHS describe the work load? I’m curious. Did the interview turn your child on to IB? I have the impression that if a child is interest oriented toward a STEM type curriculum that the would still be well prepared for college in that area, but it may find an IB program not as well suited to their interests, and that might affect their motivation in doing the work load. IB is very similar to a broad liberal arts college program. Anyone out there who can speak to this further, please chime in.

  • 179. wyomom  |  April 24, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    From the information I gathered a few years ago the British School itself did not offer scholarships but could give you some information about independent scholarship programs available. Things may have changed since. Generally most scholarships available in the City for secondary school, such as those available from places such as the Murphy or Posse foundations, are need based and usually reserved for those who have great financial need. The British School is trying very hard to expand their high school program, the price tag is really steep for most. Many teenagers are looking at a more traditional high school experience, larger classes, a broader sports program, more social diversity etc.

  • 180. kikiandkyle  |  April 24, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    I wish the British School was subsidized for British citizens like the Lycée Français is for French citizens. So much for EU equality!

  • 181. CPSFree  |  April 24, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Does anyone know if Northside used all 14 of their Principal Discretion spots, or are they extremely selective in using PD and only assign a few?

  • 182. Chicago School GPS  |  April 24, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    I have made it my business to scope out and seek “hidden gem” schools that don’t require the stress and madness of SEHS. I have been pleasantly surprised at the choices out there after visiting many public and private school options, both new and old.

    Among CPS schools, Ogden’s IB is getting more buzz, as well as Amundsen and Senn’s, and Lakeview’s STEM/Microsoft announcement is getting an enthusiastic response. All are worth inquiring about if you are still looking for a spot in the fall.

    I know this is “CPS”Obsessed but since someone else opened the can of worms, I did want to confirm that Lycee Francaise is offering a 9th grade IB Program for English speakers this fall, British School is growing their high school, Global Citizenship Exchange and Waldorf have rolling admissions. I also want to highlight a school I visited this past week which, frankly, amazed me. It is very worthwhile for someone who is interested in a high school that:
    *Sends 100% of its graduates to 4 year colleges, (more than New Trier, Hinsdale Central, Whitney Young, etc) and has done so for 34 years and counting;
    *Sends over half of these college bound graduates to “tier one” institutions as ranked by U.S. News & World Report such as MIT, Stanford, Cornell, UPenn, Carnegie Mellon, Princeton, etc and with scholarships in tow;
    *Makes it a point to help its students strive for and receive scholarship offers from multiple colleges, so that from its small graduating class, the total scholarships awarded are over $4 million yearly;
    *Has a Principal, founder and staff that knows each and every student and takes the time each day to go into the classroom to keep in touch with the students and teachers;
    *Sends its students each summer to enrichment learning experiences worldwide in renowned programs at Brown, Cambridge, Oxford and others because it knows its students can benefit immeasurably by these opportunities;
    *Was listed as among the nation’s twelve best out of 3,500 schools that education researcher Samuel Casey Carter published in his study, “On Purpose: How Great School Cultures Form Strong Character” and called it a “model for urban education”;
    *Is the subject of an award-winning 2009 documentary (“The Providence Effect”) due to its continued, proven success with students of all abilities;
    *Gives financial aid to every student due to its continued support from the Pritzker Foundation and other donors who believe strongly in the program;
    *Still has room for this coming fall, not just for high school, but for 3 years olds on up (it’s a Pre-K through 12 school).
    The school is called Providence St. Mel (www.psmnow.com) and it is certainly worth a visit and consideration (I left absolutely energized after visiting with the Principal and Founder for 2 hours). There is a definite palpable passion from the students and staff at the school.

    Bottom line, there really are schools out there beyond the “Elite 4 or 5” SEHS!! And several have openings for the fall, so don’t despair!

  • 183. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  April 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Chicago School GPS

    Can you help Jes who posted above? He obviously cares about his future, and took the initiative, as an 8th grader (yay Jes), to ask for help? Or are you only fee based, for profit?

  • 184. Chicago School GPS  |  April 25, 2012 at 12:08 am

    I applaud you too, Jes! Email us at info@chischoolgps.com and we’ll see what we can do to help you out.

  • 185. HS Mom  |  April 25, 2012 at 10:44 am

    This article is a must read for anyone still looking for HS. As IB obsessed explains, it is late for applications but I would be ringing the door bell of these IB schools


  • 186. LPHSIBparent  |  April 25, 2012 at 11:05 am

    To 172:
    My daughter is a Junior in the LPHS IB program. She loves the program and so do I, but only for the right kid. It is a very intellectual program and is great for a kid who likes to learn and is not out for just the grade. I truly believe that the homework mystic is grossly exaggerated. There are certainly nights where she has a lot of homework, but there are also many nights she does not have much. She is very diligent and organized which is also essential for an IB kid, because procrastinators tend to not do well in this program. She almost never stays up past 9 or 10pm doing homework and I think her homework level is equal to all of her friends in other selective high schools. The teachers are amazing- and the relatively new principal is great. There is a lot of writing but I think as a result her writing has greatly improved. She loves science and has had wonderful science teachers throughout her entire time so I disagree with the comment about the lack of emphasis on the sciences. She is in higher level biology and is absolutely loving it. She is absolutely flourishing in this program. It is the perfect program for her. Let me know if I can answer any other specific questions.

  • 187. ChiSchoolGPS  |  April 25, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Thanks for the link, HSMom! I really think the tide is turning and just as the elementary schools turned around from invested, neighborhood families, the same is happening now for high schools (with a lot of those same, dedicated neighborhood parents now on the edge of high school). I try to tell everyone I can to visit these schools in person and talk with the students, not just the administrators. The kids are enthusiastic advocates for their schools and just as every school has kids of all types, the motivated ones can and do strive to succeed, whether they are at a well known or lesser known school. There really is a sea of change happening from the ground up and it’s yielding more options for Chicago families.

  • 188. jes  |  April 26, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Well that realy didnt help me. well thanks everyone for your answers in helping me out. i will give a call to the oficce of cps..and see if i can still transfer in the fall. (hopefully theres a chance for me outthere)

  • 189. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  April 26, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Jes, you were offered help See post 184 above. Why not email them?

  • 190. jes  |  April 26, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I already send them 2 emails for help.

  • 191. Jessie  |  April 26, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    I dont know when they wil respond back to them. i hope they do. I had alot of questions to ask. And thanks @184

  • 192. Chicago School GPS  |  April 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Jes, I don’t see your emails but you can call me directly at 312.324.4774 to leave me your email address if you would like. Or fill out the contact form from the website, http://www.chischoolgps.com. Perhaps there was an inadvertent typo when you sent the emails to info@chischoolgps.com. Please try one of the methods above and we will get back to you as soon as possible. I checked our spam folder and it only had the usual spam messages in there (get rich quick, president of liberia, etc).

  • 193. Jessie  |  April 26, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Ok. I will try to resend it again. Thanks

  • 194. North Center mom  |  May 3, 2012 at 11:35 am

    I heard recently of two 8th graders at my child’s elementary school who got into a SEHS on the second round (not principal discretion). It would be interesting to know how many students are involved and what the adjusted cutoff scores will be. Nothing on the OAE website. Does anyone know how to shake out this information?

  • 195. momNorth  |  May 3, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    @194 – When I inquired with the OAE office a few weeks ago, I was explicitly told that the ONLY school likely have a second round was one of the SE schools on the South side (can’t remember name). Certainly NOT Whitney, Payton, Lane…

  • 196. West Rogers Park Mom  |  May 3, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    @194- I called OAE yesterday and their recorded message specifically said that the only SEHS with a second round was Westinghouse. Perhaps the 8th graders got into second round at a non-SEHS school such as Lincoln Park or Ogden? ? ? I don’t know.

  • 197. North Center mom  |  May 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    One was Jones.

  • 198. Weary  |  May 3, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    @North Center Mom – I also called OAE last week regarding second rounds and was told the same thing as the others – the only one was Westinghouse. Is it possible that Jones can independently (outside OAE) decide to take more students?

  • 199. jusand  |  May 22, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Did I read this right?

    only 175 kids were admitted from tier 4 into Lane Tech, not including rank?

    School Selection Method Tier # Students
    Lane Rank 300
    Lane Tier 1 175
    Lane Tier 2 175
    Lane Tier 3 175
    Lane Tier 4 175

    Yikes! I am def going to have my kid take the AC test in 6th grade just to see where he is.

  • 200. Chicago School GPS  |  May 22, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    As Northside parents become more aware of schools like Lane or Jones (both were not top choices 2-3 years ago), the number of admitted students from Tier 4 increases, actually, because a large portion of the Rank students are from Tier 4. In other words, not only are the 175 kids from Tier 4 admitted per their Tier quota, but of the 300 rank students, there could be 200 (just making that number up) from Tier 4, for a total of possibly 375 out of 1000 students from Tier 4, versus your initial perception of 175 out of 1000.

  • 201. IB obsessed formerly Gawker  |  May 22, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Breaking HS news

    “Selective enrollment program to be added at South Shore International College Prep
    Chicago Public Schools this fall is expected to add 100 new selective enrollment seats at the new South Shore International College Prep, the district said.” from the Tribune today.

    Anyone know if there is IB there?

  • 202. Ariel  |  February 24, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Hello, I received my child’s results yesterday and unfortunately she did not do very good on the test but her ISAT scores and grades were very good and she was not accepted to Lane. Her score was about 187 of 300. We are planning on using principal discretion…how does it work? Is there still a good chance of being accepted? And adivce? Thank you so much!

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