Second round letters should be going out

April 26, 2010 at 2:20 pm 119 comments

So from what we hear, the next round of letters/calls for gifted/classical programs should be going out this week.

Keep the obsessive troops posted if you hear anything!

And maybe some budget news this week?  I am a bit nerve-wracked wondering what will happen with my son’s gifted program.  And all of CPS really.

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  • 1. StressedOut  |  April 26, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    I called OAE Friday afternoon and I was told that Skinner North had 16 spots still open. The woman told me that spots would be filled according to test scores in the tiers that needed to be filled. She wouldn’t tell me how many spots were left in each tier but she did say there were a good number remaining for Tier 4.

  • 2. RL Julia  |  April 26, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    I know that funding for Magnet Cluster programs are being cut, class sizes are supposed to go to 35 kids per classroom and every school’s budget reflects fewer staff positions. Given the depth of the proposed cuts (and the budget shortfall that drives it), I don’t really see how any school or program is going to survive unchanged.

    I also personally, wonder about “full day” Kindergarten existance for next year. Unfortunately, I think next year will be the same if not worse….

  • 3. cpsmom  |  April 26, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Full day kindergarten funding has been cut for the entire system. If schools keep full day kindergarten it will either be because parent pay for it out of pocket or because a principal has some kind of savvy in grant writing or some other kind of fundraising.

    I have talked to a lot of teachers and magnet/magnet clusters and gifted/classical schools have been hit quite hard. Unless there is some relief at the last minute, teachers are going to have bigger classes, with fewer assistants, fewer prep periods, fewer support teachers to help. Parents are going to have to step in and give a LOT of their own personal time volunteering to even come close to making up a portion of the difference. The amount of cuts one friend told me about at her school left me wondering if they will even be able to function. Another school, the cuts seemed more manageable. Plain Jane neighborhood schools with no magnet cluster funding seem to be faring the best.

    Our school is supposed to give details on cuts this week. I expect that we will be asked to pay for full day kinder, and that 3-4 teaching positions will be cut and 3-4 other positions will be cut too, if not more, based on what my teacher friends have told me.

  • 4. cpsmom  |  April 26, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    We had a meeting with our school principal last week who told us that CPS gifted programs are here to stay and that the number of kids in the gifted classes will NOT change. What will change is how Huberman/CPS will determine how many teachers a particular school will be “entitled” to next year – they will take the total number of children in the school and divide by 37 (the ‘magic’ number) and that will reflect how many teachers each school will receive. So for the options program at our school (which also contains a neighborhood program), we could be down 2 teachers, and there is talk of “split classes.” I also heard that full day kindergarten is almost definitely gone, and busing is up in the air for options students. This could all change, who knows, but almost all CPS programs will most definitely suffer. I’m still hoping for the best…

  • 5. cpsobsessed  |  April 26, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    @cpsmom (#4): Not sure I get the split class thing.
    Say there are 8 classes of gifted kids, each with an average of 30 kids. Now CPS decides to fund only 6 teachers for the program. Where do the split grade classes come in?
    A school with a neighborhood element *could* be asked to fund the extra positions, but what about a school like Edison? They have no extra money?
    So now you’d be dividing up kids 40 to a class (doubt they’d do that.) So in theory you’d have to redivide kids by ability into 6 (instead of 8) classes?

  • 6. gratamama  |  April 26, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    All this talk of what is “definitely” happening….. I am new to this, but no budget has been finalized. How do you “know” this?

  • 7. cpsmom  |  April 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    I am cpsmom#3,
    I don’t totally understand how they’d split grades, but I think she is talking about putting 1st and 2nd grade together in one room. The number of kids allowed into the program would stay the same, but the classes would be much larger (35-40). It could work like this:
    For an options program, instead of 28 in first grade, you could have 38 total kids in a room, 28 of them first graders and 10 second graders. Then say there are usually 28 second graders. Subtract the ten second graders who are in with the first graders. Take the other 18 second graders and add them to a room partly filled with 3rd graders. And so on.
    They might split by ability, putting the very highest ability 1st graders with the lowest ability 2nd graders. Or they might just have the teachers teaching 2 different grade levels. The kids would essentially be split into groups for a good portion of the day. The ones the teacher wasn’t working with at a particular moment would have to be doing independent work. Split grades are something I personally would pull my kids out of the system over.
    The other thing that can and probably will happen in the oae programs, including magnets, is that the language teachers and the support teachers (who do pull out reading groups or other pull out services) will lose their jobs.
    I have heard from friends in the system, that asst. principals (unless the school is very large) will either have to start teaching in the school,probably displacing someone else or lose their jobs, many teacher assistants and clerks have lost their jobs, magnet cluster lead teachers are out of jobs, etc…

    The neighborhood school by me has had four classes in each grade at about 25 a class. Next year, they are planning on having 3 in each grade, with one possible split grade, of 35 or more in each class.

  • 8. LR  |  April 26, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    I too am confused. If there are 8 options teachers now, and you take away 2, that leaves 6 teachers. The same number of children need to be split among 6 teachers. So, wouldn’t the number of children per class in the gifted programs go up? Particularly if they split or “combine” classes.

    I asked about the talk of 37 kids per class when we took the Bell options tour. Didn’t get a solid answer. But, they did make it clear that if CPS puts the school in that position, then anything is possible (eg – maybe some neighborhood kids get placed in gifted programs, maybe they split classes, etc.). Neither of these things is a certainty – but I think she was trying to say that if CPS hands them a big turd, the school will be in a position to decide how to handle the mess that it is given.

    I really hope I don’t regret taking this spot. I already told our private school we aren’t coming back. Ugh.

  • 9. MCLT  |  April 26, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    I’m a magnet cluster lead teacher and my position was not cut for next year. My principal showed me today in writing that she was given two magnet cluster lead teacher positions for next year. I do know another MCLT that said her position will be cut next year at her school. We will have several split classrooms next year because she will have to cut seven teachers.

  • 10. cpsmom  |  April 26, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    I can say that I know what I know based on the power point Huberman gave out to principals on Thursday and by what 6 different teacher friends have told me that their principals told them about their particular schools. Things will vary from school to school of course.

  • 11. cpsmom  |  April 26, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Is it possible CPS mom #4 meant that the total number of kids in the gifted program will stay the same but that the number within each individual class will go up due to combining classes? (as in, they won’t “cut” the gifted program or reduce the number admitted or in, but they will increase class size, if they had to due to split grades.)

  • 12. cpsmom  |  April 26, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    I’m cpsmom#4 – that’s exactly what I meant – number of children accepted into the program will not change but number of kids in the classroom might.

  • 13. 2ndtimearound  |  April 26, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    I have checked on the CPS website, but have not found anything about budget updates. Are individual schools choosing to share info with families in their school? Has anyone called any RGC or Classical schools to get more detailed information about the status for next year?

  • 14. craziness  |  April 26, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    When I talked to a gifted rep she said that the number of students accepted would remain at 28 but if the other programs in CPS went to 37 students the gifted class sizes would as well. She said they would adopt split classes with 1st and 2nd combined, etc. She also said that she thought the teachers would strike if Huberman tried to inact policies like that. I don’t know if there is any relevance to this or not, or if teachers could legally strike.

  • 15. cpsmom  |  April 26, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    As I understand the law, teachers can neither bargain over class size in contract negotiations (a right that every single other district in IL has) nor can we strike over it.
    I am not endorsing a strike, though I waffle back and forth over whether I think we should or not, still I think a strike is possible. If it happens, it won’t be popular, and theoretically, Huberman could pull a Reagan-and-the-air-traffic-controllers-thing and fire every striking teacher. There certainly are enough teachers looking for jobs out there to fill an entire city’s worth of staff within a few weeks. If those looking are any good, I don’t know. But the 1000 teachers in Elgin who were laid off would love to take the jobs if they became available. (as well as the thousands of others across the state)
    -on leave, but still a CTU member

  • 16. JD  |  April 27, 2010 at 6:40 am

    @#1 Stressed Out: Are the 16 spots open for K? My ds is not applying for Skinner North, but the high number of open spots seem unusually high (if for one class). It gives me some hope that there might still be a chance.

  • 17. Christine  |  April 27, 2010 at 6:52 am

    Skinner North is kind of a special case because it’s a brand-new program this year. And it’s in a neighborhood that some consider less than desirable.

  • 18. StressedOut  |  April 27, 2010 at 8:27 am

    @JD – Yes, the 16 spots are for K.

  • 19. NWMom  |  April 27, 2010 at 10:03 am

    My daughter came home the other day saying that she met a girl that will be added to her class next year (she was brought in from another school to meet her future classmates). My daughter also said that the head of her options program told her and her classmates that they should expect some other children to be added to her class next year.

  • 20. waiting  |  April 27, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I just called the GEAP office and no movement has happened yet. The person who answered said phone calls for round 2 should happen first week of May. So, we will wait.

    Does anyone know if 37 spots per class would apply for the selective schools, magnet schools, or only neighborhood schools?

    My daughter got into Stone. Any further info on Stone for 1st grade would be much appreciated?

  • 21. SkinnerNorthInfo  |  April 27, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Skinner North has 16 KDG spots left, they have 2 classrooms per grade level, so 16 of 60

  • 22. Stone mom  |  April 27, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Stone is a good school and has always had an extra teacher for 1st grade. I have no insight and haven’t talked to anyone about this but I would speculate that the extra teacher would be the first one to go. I would ask to speak to the principal or assistant principal about this.

    A lot of the student population is from Rogers Park, Edgewater, West Ridge with Ravenswood Manor being considered south. This may affect play dates etc so is something to keep in mind.

    It is extremely diverse. My daughter is talking a lot about her friends that will be wearing head coverings in a few years. She even tried one on the other day to see what it is like. I love the fact that all of her friends aren’t clones of her and that she is being exposed to different cultures like this.

    I find the staff to be respective and caring and overall feel so lucky that we have had the chance to experience the school.

  • 23. twocents  |  April 27, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Re: Stone. I personally believe that it is probably the most diverse school in the country! Almost every ethnicity is represented on the playlot (hispanic, bosnian, greek, polish, asian, arabic, east indian, american indian, jewish, muslim, christian, many interesting mixes, you name it). My DCs ‘best’ friends are Pakistani, Cuban, Jewish, caucasian, and African. We are Hispanic. The curriculum is rigorous and wonderfully demanding of students.

  • 24. StressedOut  |  April 27, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I’ve heard the same thing about Stone’s diversity. Someone told me that they have over 40 different ethnic groups at the school. That’s a lot!

  • 25. SkinnerWestMom  |  April 27, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    My son tested into Skinner West Kindergarten. We are currently at the South Loop Tuition Based Preschool. I heard next year that if you attend South Loop Kindergarten for a full day (gifted or neighborhood), you will have to pay $2500. Half day will be free.

  • 26. waiting  |  April 27, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Thank you for the Stone info… I am excited to hear about the diversity and rigorous program. Good luck to everyone on this board as we wait for GEAP calls for round #2. The process has not been easy…

  • 27. cps mom 5  |  April 27, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Hopefully once they make the Round 2 calls for the classic and gifted programs, that will trickle down to open spaces at other magnet programs. My ds are in the top 10 at 2 different magnets where there hasn’t been any turnover.

  • 28. craziness  |  April 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    I find it interesting, after making such a big deal about providing opportunity for economically challenged, but gifted students, (hence the whole tier system,) that families with Kindergartners accepted into the gifted program at South Loop will have to come up with $2500 dollars to attend full day school. Am I missing something?

  • 29. KS  |  April 27, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    For those of you on the fence about Skinner North, I just heard some excellent news about their particular budget for next year. The principal managed to put together a plan that will keep full day kindergarten next year, limit class size to 30 kids per class, keep language instruction (Spanish) and maintain a free supervised early drop off program from 8:15 -9:15am. My son will be attending kindergarten there in the fall and needless to say, I am absolutely thrilled with this news.

  • 30. anonymous  |  April 27, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    I’d LOVE the chance to pay for full-day kindergarten as we pay some of the highest taxes in the city and don’t even have that option at our neighborhood school. It is far too overcrowded for full-day.

    I am really dismayed at the inequities in the CPS system. I am a full-time working mom and yet can’t get anything like free, supervised drop-off, and full-day kindergarten.

    And our school will probably have the full 35 kids to a class.

    WHY such disparities? How is this fair?

  • 31. SkinnerWestMom  |  April 27, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    This is what I heard that their LSC had passed for next year. Whether it is true or not, I am not sure. And maybe the $2500 was just for the neighborhood program and not the gifted. This seems like a way to keep lower income families from attending the school.

  • 32. cpsmom  |  April 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    $2500 per family is what most schools will ask to keep full day kinder. Noone will be forced to pay and can attend regardless of ability to pay, it just may be half day kinder. I believe system wide the deal is that if enough families can pay, then they have full day, and if not, noone gets full day kinder in that school.

    As for Skinner North, that seems like a good deal. Still, I wonder what the principal was forced to trade away to keep full day kinder and only 30 in a class. Did they get rid of gym and library? Did they lay off all their assistants? Did they lose their AP? Their money for books? Their reading and writing support teachers? Every single school will lose something, so I am sure there was a trade off somewhere. Every school is facing losses.
    I also know that some schools, for after or before care, they won special grant money for those programs, that may be how SN is keeping that.

    A savvy principal is a good thing to have!

  • 33. amy  |  April 27, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    What does this mean? The appeals process? Is this for high school only?

  • 34. helicoptermom  |  April 27, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    In the burbs, there is no free full day K, period. Which means you pay high property taxes and have to pony up for full day private K which can be $1000 per month! So, $2500 a year is a bargain! At least you have an option.

  • 35. patty  |  April 27, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Just wondering why Oscar Mayer has not sent out letters yet. Every other school has sent their letters long ago, but I have not heard anything from them. I have asked others and they have not hear either, so I don’t blame the post office. I have heard often that the school is rather disorganized, and I am wondering if this is just the beginning?

  • 36. copy editor  |  April 27, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    My son is a split 6/7 grade class at his CPS school. It started last year; they put 16 higher-performing 5th graders in a class with 16 sixth graders. Everyone stayed together this year. The teacher started out with a separate math curriculum, but after a while, the younger kids caught on and now they are all doing the same work. The social stuff is a little more complicated. The younger kids have not skipped, so they compete at the science fair, history fair, etc. at their official grade level.

    The key is having a good teacher, but it has worked well for us.

  • 37. NM  |  April 27, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Regarding the comments on Skinner, I suspect, and have supected for some time, that there is some “gaming” going on with budgets for the gifted and selective enrollment schools. Does anyone know if budgets are determined based on the year’s enrollment? If so, principals at schools that select their students may have an opportunity to keep class sizes low by limiting the number of students that they admit each year into their programs.

    We saw this pretty clearly this year with the Selective Enrollment High Schools. I think that ALL of the northside schools took fewer students this year than last (Payton was down by 20%). I suspect that this was intentional, because everyone has known for a year that big budget cuts were expected for the 2009-10 school year. By admitting fewer students, the schools artifically keep class sizes low.

    This is a little harder to do in an elementary school because the new class class is 1/9, instead of 1/4, of the student body. But, the principals can limit the number of knidergarten students that they take, and they can decide not to fill vacancies. We have known about the vacancy problem in upper grades at the gifted schools for some time.

    My question is why CPS allows principals to chose the number of students that they are taking for the upcoming school year. Why can’t CPS say, for example, that the principal at Payton has to take exactly 200 new freshman each year, or that an elementary gifted principal has to make offers until each of its classes has 31/35 students? The discretion given to these principals causes SERIOUS unfairness between selective enrollment/gifted and other schools.

  • 38. Hawthorne mom  |  April 27, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    However many students enrolled, the number of teaching positions funded will be based on a ratio. 35 kids for every 1 teacher, for example. So even if a SE high school lowered their numbers, they’d then be forced to cut staff. Unless of course there ends up being some kind of favoritism for some schools. Not saying this is happening, but there have been rumors of it for years, so who knows?

  • 39. amy  |  April 27, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Oscar Mayer is a neighborhood school. If you live within the attendance boundaries, your child is automatically admitted. I think that you still have to complete the standard application even if you are living in the neighborhood by the deadline. They do have open enrollment, so any slots open after registration are picked from the city wide lottery. Registration was earlier this month, so I think that they have begun contacting people.

  • 40. Carm  |  April 27, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    NM: Skinner North’s principal has no choice over who goes to school there. None. He’s also not gaming the budget. But it will probably involve parents paying $$$ to retain things like Spanish and an extra teacher. There was also talk of moving the after care program in-house, which would enable the school to hire more teacher aides. And parents will probably be asked to volunteer in the mornings for the early morning care program.

    The number of teachers you can hire is based on the number of students enrolled. Less students means less teachers.

  • 41. Miasmom  |  April 28, 2010 at 12:03 am

    So I called the OAE again today. Here is what I learned- they have not even run the new list for 2nd round yet- at least not for K. They started with the upper grades first. They will have the list run for K next week and notification will be by letter. In our tier (3) the score cutoffs for the top 3 that we ranked was Coonley 144, Edison 146, Pritzker 142. (DD has a 140.) She said there were several spots open for tier 3 in those 3 schools, but wouldn’t say how many exactly. She said with our score it looked favorable for us, but who knows, they could say that to everybody who calls. Still, it calms me a little to have some info. Maybe it can help somebody else out there too!

    I can’t believe we have to wait another week!

  • 42. JD  |  April 28, 2010 at 6:42 am

    @Miasmom – you must be more diplomatic than I. I couldn’t get any info out of the person I talked to yesterday regarding cutoff scores and chances for my DD. DD has a 135 in Tier 4, and based on the HS scores they posted for second round, Tier 4 probably has higher cutoff scores for K.

  • 43. NM  |  April 28, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Hawthorne Mom: You may have missed my point. I think that the budget for the 2010-11 school year may be based upon enrollment for the 2009-10 SCHOOL YEAR. This gives principals a lot of incentive to game the system by admitting fewer students.

    Consider this (highly simplified) scenario:

    1. A high school has 400 students in 2009-10, 100 students per class.

    2. The school would have gotten 13 teachers in 2009-10 based upon a target of 31 students per class.

    3. The number of teachers allowed for 2010-11 would be 11 based on a target of 35 students per class.

    4. In May 2010, CPS sets the budget for the school, based on 11 teachers.

    5. The principal, however, has decided to artifically control class size by (a) lowering the number of students in his freshman class to 80 and (b) not replacing the 40 students who have left the school during the 2009-10 school year. This means that he will have 340, not 400, students in 2010-11.

    6. Presumably, CPS would not reduce the principal’s budget after it is already set, so the princiapal would have 11 teaching positions for 340 students. 31 kids per teacher JUST LIKE THE YEAR BEFORE.

    Fundraising is really not an effective way to drastically reduce class size. Teachers are just too expensive. Anyone who tells you that they can fill CPS’s gigantic budget holes with fundraising in lying to you. Even the private schools cannot fill those kind of massive gaps, and they have established, organized fundraising machines.

  • 44. KJ  |  April 28, 2010 at 8:14 am

    @JD, we’re also tier 4 and dd has a 141, so I feel your pain. I think you could be right that the scores are high in tier 4. But I also think that there is a reasonable proportion of people in tier 4 than can afford private school and some will choose private over gifted. I wouldn’t be surprised if some number of tier 4 folks already have their kids at private school and are just testing them to see how they do. At least that’s my hope.

  • 45. Carm  |  April 28, 2010 at 9:30 am

    NM: You may not be fundraising for a full-time teacher. It may just cover part of the teacher’s salary. CPS will cover the rest. So for full-time kindergarten, you are trying to cover 1/2 a salary, not the whole thing.

    Teacher allocation may be preliminarily set on 2009-10 figures, but they get re-assessed at the beginning of the school. If your enrollment drops by 60 students, you will have to let go of some teachers.

  • 46. RL Julia  |  April 28, 2010 at 9:35 am

    What I really worry about is how the (proposed) increased class sizes are going to effect special ed kids in an inclusion classroom. A classroom of 25, 28 or 30 kids is way different than a classroom of 35 or 37, especially in the lower grades. It seems like special ed is the one thing that hasn’t been touched in the budget cuts but at the same time, the larger classes won’t help.

    to NM – principals generally don’t get to decide on how many kids they take. In neighborhood schools, they have to take anyone in the school’s catchment area whether or not this means the class size is 18 or 32. Every year, principals get an enrollment estimate from the central office that their budget is based on. If they estimate is low, the principal can try and appeal it or more likely, has to wait until the 20th day of school in the fall when a sort of system wide attendance snapshot is taken. At that point, if the school has a classroom with over the agreed upon amount (per the union agreement), the school can hire another teacher and open another classroom.

    For the coming school year the classroom load has been set at 35 kids per room. This means that until that 36th kid hits a particular grade/classroom, the school cannot open another room (provided they have the physical space to do so). Obviously, it is disruptive to redistribute kids in October to form a new classroom so usually other ideas are employed.

  • 47. NM  |  April 28, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Thanks for the clarifications on setting budgets.

    I was under the impression that the OAE schools (particularly the SE high schools) had a lot of discretion in the number of students that are selected. OAE told another parents that the principals provide the number of students that they need for next year and OEA simply fills the slots. (This is why OAE disclaims responsibilty for all the vacancies in the upper grades of the gifted schools.) The principals also suggested at the open house for the SE high schools that THEY were choosing the number of students admitted.

    If CPS headquarters decides on the number of students each school will take, why isn’t it consistent year-to-year?

  • 48. anonymous  |  April 28, 2010 at 9:51 am

    I guess one of my frustrations is that, as a neighborhood school mom (we did try to get in a magnet, but couldn’t), my impression had been that the proximity lottery opening up to greater numbers would pull more kids into the magnets and help lessen the great burden on our neighborhood schools. However, if magnets are allowed to juggle to keep THEIR class sizes low and neighborhood schools continue to have to allow any child in, how is that going to help more people? There are certainly many families who would be excited to get an additional magnet spot and, the neighborhood schools (in those areas where they are good — which happen to coincide with a lot of popular magnets) would also reap the benefit. A win, win. But, rather, neighborhood schools are not given this same luxury.

    I know the flipside is that when a neighborhood school hits 36 students, they are given another teacher (or funding for one), but the problem is … they don’t necessarily have the ROOM to open another classroom.

    I hope everyone is supporting Raise Your Hand, because this insanity has to end.

  • 49. neighborhoodschoolmom  |  April 28, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Is it true that neighborhood schools are given additional funding when a classroom goes over the limit (36 this year, it sounds like for now)?

    I have never heard of that happening. It seems like class sizes are just allowed to go up. If they had received funding for a whole additional teacher, I think we would have heard about that and wouldn’t have the crowding in many schools that we have. I know our school could have easily accommodated additional classrooms and our kindergarten classes were often well over 30 (when the limit was 28). I do not recall from LSC meetings that we were receiving additional funds.

  • 50. anonymous  |  April 28, 2010 at 10:32 am


    I was under that assumption. However, I am a FUTURE (kindergarten 2010) mom of a neighborhood school child, so I don’t know. I just assumed that they HAD to get funding for another teacher or an aide or SOMETHING.

    Then what is the point of a limit?

  • 51. jsc  |  April 28, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Can anyone tell me anything about Newberry Academy for the upper grades? Just got a call accepting my child off the wait list for 4th grade for the fall. Child was #23 on the waitlist.

  • 52. RL Julia  |  April 28, 2010 at 11:10 am

    All good questions….. that I really don’t know the answer to. I don’t know/think that magnet schools get to have lower classroom sizes but since they can pretty much control their enrollment they can make classroom size a priority and not enroll the full number of students. Say Regional Gifted Center B has decided that they really only want to have a maximum class size of 25 kids per class and that they can do two classes per grade – so they plan their lottery strategy around accepting/maintaining 50-53 (someone always moves) kids per grade. 53 kids means that there is no way they can have just one classroom but on the other hand there is no way there’s going to be three either.

    Given the overall size of the system, I don’t think that any one school could point to the selective schools and blame them for any overcrowding. If anything, this selectivity on the part of the select schools means that some of the talent (and the parents that go along with it) that might otherwise qualify for a magnet school education is kept in the neighborhood system and strengthens it.

    On the 20th day of school – when the count is done, the central office will authorize the money for another classroom if the grade numbers are too high and are in violation of the union contract – that being said many schools don’t have the space, usually it has been hard to find the best teachers in early October (they already have jobs! ) and the associated disruption of the entire grade, as the school shuffles kids around often prohibits the idea. Are you going to open a new classroom in October just because one or two classrooms have 30 kids in them instead of 28? Probably not.

    As for the project enrollment done by the central office in the first place ? I don’t know how those are calculated but I’d love to see the formula because for the past two years they have been really low. Its almost like CPS is low balling the projections in order to show balanced books or something.

  • 53. MIsty  |  April 28, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Unfortunately, the larger class size WILL apply to all magnet and gifted programs. This is why they are waiting longer for the second round. They will accept more students than initially planned in the second round. There would be too much backlash from the neighborhood schools about fairness. I have talked about this issue with 2 teachers that live in my neighborhood. One is a teacher at a magnet school, the other a neighborhood school. Also, the gifted/magnet schools may be forced to accept MORE students than a neighborhood school. The reasoning is that if these students are gifted, they should not need as much attention.

  • 54. Confused  |  April 28, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    I heard last year that South Loop’s principal re-tested her neighborhood classroom kids (on her own) because there wasn’t enough students in the gifted program. Many students decided last minute to attend other schools. They said they (and OAE) toss the lists after the first day of school and that students that started at other schools probably wouldn’t want to switch anyway. I don’t believe they toss the lists after the first day of school. And can they do this? I don’t think this is fair……………….

  • 55. Carm  |  April 28, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    NM: SE principals do get to tell OAE how many student names to pull from the list. I know our principal asked for 60 names (2 classes) for kindergarten for the first round. His reasoning was that if the budget crisis was averted he didn’t want to have 35 to 37 if he didn’t have to. But if he has to have 35 to 37, then he would have to go back and ask OAE to pull more names.

    The ratio has now been set (it seems) at 35 a class, and that is what CPS funding is based on. So again, a principal can try to get creative with the budget by making cuts or fundraising to lower that ratio. But if they don’t, CPS will not give as much money for less than 35 students.

    My child is at a classical school, and I agree somewhat with the argument that you can get away with having 35 in those classes better than you can at a neighborhood school on the far west or south side of the city. The gifted/magnet schools can get parents to volunteer to be aids and that will help some. At other schools, however, having 35 in class is just not safe.

  • 56. cps mom 5  |  April 28, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Has anyone received a call from the waiting list at either Thorp or Jackson. If so, could you please let me know what # you were? Thanks

  • 57. NM  |  April 28, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    I guess I still do not understand why CPS would allow an individual principal to decide how many names to pull. Why isn’t this controlled centrally? The principals at SE schools should be forced to keep their classes at the CPS target size.

    I find the information about the principal at Loop doing her own testing REALLY disturbing. Principal picks are limited by school policy to a certain number of students. This sounds like a blatant violation of the policy. I am willing to bet that the many of the spots went to kids whose parents gave money to the school or were cozy with the principal. I would not be surprisedif a couple of politicians kids also found their way into the program.

    Excessive principal discretion at the SE schools is just another opportunity for clout and inequities to enter into the selection process.

  • 58. gratamama  |  April 28, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    @ cps mom 5: My child was accepted into Thorp for k. If i hear anything about movement on the waiting list, i’ll let you know.

  • 59. RL Julia  |  April 28, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    The fact is that there are far more kids who would qualify and/or benefit from the gifted curriculum than there are slots in schools for them. Yes, it is certainly more transparent and ethical to go by lists but I really doubt if kids are getting placed into programs or given educational opportunities that they couldn’t benefit from.

    There is also a convienience factor and a internal school politics factor. Gifted program Kid X moves mid year. Kid Y is obviously smart and would really benefit from the program but bombed the test last year. Kid Y’s parents are lovely people who are really nice and are committed to staying at the school and are real contributors of their time. What would you do?

  • 60. south loop mom  |  April 28, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    I live in the South Loop and I’ve never heard anything about re-testing. I know some of the kids that got in to the gifted program after school started. My understanding that they had really good scores, but not quite high enough to get in during the summer. My understanding is that when students don’t show up for the gifted program in the Fall, CPS just leaves the seats empty until the following year. Because of the severe overcrowding at SL, the principal got permission to move some of the high scoring students into the gifted program. I believe that at the time the neighborhood class had more than 40 students.

  • 61. Confused  |  April 28, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    First of all this was not mid year, this was the beginning of the year. And if you were Kid Y’s parents, you would be happy, but what if you were Kid Z’s parents who was next in line? Kid Z is now attending their neighborhood school in a not so desirable neighborhood because this was their only option. Wouldn’t you (as Kid Z’s parents) be mad if you found this out?

    All of our kids had to take the test and yes, unfortunately, if your child had a bad day or is not a good test taker, it definitely gives him/her a disadvantage. A parent’s money/status/personality/committment shouldn’t determine if their child gets in.

    Everyone on this forum wants their child to get into a good program at a good school. I’m sure if the parents that are waiting for spots found out that they accepted a student not because of their score/tier, but because of some other factor, they would not be very happy.

  • 62. anonymous  |  April 28, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    What is wrong with using transparency and ethics as our guidelines?

  • 63. HPMom  |  April 28, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Hi, all. Are there any other parents of twins (or multiples) who are trying to get their children into kindergarten next year? If so, can you email me so we can swap stories? My email:

  • 64. Carm  |  April 28, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    I don’t know if the South Loop re-test story is correct. I know a few families who have kids in the gifted program there. They have had some issues with the school, but I don’t think there has been a lack of interest in the gifted program.

    When Coonley started its gifted program, they did testing at that school. But that was because it was a new program, and they needed to get students in there quickly. Pretty understandable, and those students still needed to score to get in.

    So I am not sure why people keep insisting that principals at SE elementary schools have any say in who gets in. At our school that’s not true. And I have heard other principals say the same thing. Magnet schools and SE high schools have some discretion, but not SE elementary. All of those have to go through OAE.

    At our school, they were short a few kids in kindergarten because they had some students drop out after the start of school–like 5 weeks into it.

  • 65. amy  |  April 29, 2010 at 1:59 am

    @ cps mom 5
    What tier group are you currently in?
    We were in the mid 30’s for proximity at Thorp. I spoke to June for a lengthy time on Monday. She told me that ALL sibling and proximity spots were taken. After the initial sibling slots were pulled there were very few available slots for proximity. I know that they just finished their registration. She told me that many in Tier Group 1 never showed, so they called the next in line and so on. There is another CPS mom on here who was wait list number 8, (not sure what Tier)that received a call.

    This is my first year dealing with CPS. I’ve been preparing and compiling data since my son was 2. I don’t have the stomach for this. It was pretty much confirmed for us that he would not be placed in ANY of the 20 schools that we applied. I lost out on my first and second choice for Kindergarten placement in private schools because of the timing of the first round of letters. We simply could not afford to pay multiple non refundable registration fees if he did get accepted. Our third alternative luckily still had a few openings left and I registered today. My husband and I will get used to eating Ramen noodles again. And sadly despite paying hefty Chicago taxes, we have no alternative but to go this route.

  • 66. EAL  |  April 29, 2010 at 8:24 am

    to CPS mom5:
    I have kids at Thorp in gifted as well as an incoming KG….if it makes you feel any better – while the primary grades are WONDERFUL the upper grades have been very disappointing. As the years have gone by, I have been more and more disappointed in how everything there is run. There are also many behavior issues in the upper grades if your child does not get placed in gifted. While I have taken my sibling spot, largely since the idea of half day KG at another school with Thorp’s 1:45 dismissal, I may actually go neighborhood if my child does not get in gifted. I agree – I dont have the stomach for this and the process is more unfair than ever. I will be doing the high school game next year and being Tier 1, I think we are going to be in trouble even with 4 A’s and great ISAT’s. Something is really wrong with that!

  • 67. K dad  |  April 29, 2010 at 8:29 am

    @ cps mom 5:
    It was my daughter who was #8 on the wait list at Thorp. We are in a Tier 4 tract.

  • 68. cps mom 5  |  April 29, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Thanks Amy & K dad. I have been trying to get my son into Thorp for 3 years now. He is now going into 3rd grade and I realize it gets harder to get a child into any magnet or SE school the older they get. We live about 4 miles from the school, but do not qualify for proximity. So we’re in the general lottery #40s. I have heard of several children being offered slots at Thorp and other magnet schools who were at underperforming schools (no child left behind?). Not sure if this is still happening, but it seems as though one has a better chance by transferring to a really awful school.

  • 69. Mona  |  April 29, 2010 at 10:07 am

    I just heard from a few teachers at my child’s school that Kinder will be full day and there will be PreK!!! I don’t know how true this is but a few different teachers told me this.

  • 70. gratamama  |  April 29, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Thanks EAL, cps mom 5, amy, etc.

    We got in at Thorp – through proximity, i’m assuming. We’re about 1 mile away. Thanks for the Thorp info. We’re still making some decisions. st. edward on the NW side is absolutely wonderful, close to the expressway for commuting and still has private slots, from what i know.

  • 71. $$  |  April 29, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Not all Pre-K For All was cut. Pre-K will still be available for the fortunate few (SES (social economic status) was the main criteria used). Schools have discretionary money. Some will choose to spend it to buy 1/2 of a Kindergarden teacher. Whatever the money was previously spent on will have to be eliminated (maybe a computer teacher or fine arts teacher or a coaching position paid for with school funds). Some schools (the ones with higher SES) already operate with less discretionary money (this money is usually tied to free and reduced lunch %) won’t have this option and parents paying the difference is the only way to keep a teacher for the full day.

  • 72. wonderingwhattodo  |  April 29, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Do any of the magnet schools track what the others are doing? My DD just got off the waitlist at one magnet school. My DS is still on the waitlist. I’ve already accepted at spot at a different magnet that only has room for my DD. BUt the second magnet school says they’ll probaby be able to take my son but wont know for sure until August when older grade spots tend to open up.
    Do I register DD at both schools knowing that I”ll give one up if my DS gets in?

  • 73. South Loop School parent  |  April 29, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Re the South Loop school posts — CPS caps the number of kids in every gifted program. It’s 28 up until 3rd grade and then 31 for 4-8 grades. School has no say over those numbers. SLS’s neighborhood classrooms are very crowded – with numbers into the high 30s. They are facing severe overcrowding issues and have no money to expand the school in order to add more classes per grade level. Principal’s hands are sorta tied because she has to admit neighborhood kids and doesn’t want classes with 40+ kids.

  • 74. SEN  |  April 29, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    for #64 Carm

    My daughter has been in Coonley’s options program since K. She did not test at Coonley. She took the test at IIT. They then called us in June( I think) to say they were starting the program in September 2008, and she was offered a spot. Maybe some kids tested there.

  • 75. Carm  |  April 29, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    sen: I did not say everyone. But some did. And it was because the decision to start the program came relatively late in the school.

  • 76. waiting  |  April 29, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    @wonderingwhattodo, you should call the office that generates the letters of waitlist to inquire. If there is no monitoring of who gets in where, then you should accept at the available spots and wait. If you get both kids at the same school, then turn down the other magnet one. It stinks to have take a spot knowing you want to go somewhere else but it’s better to secure what you have for now. We accepted at a magnet school but willing to change once round #2 of GEAP calls comes. It’s a waiting game…….

  • 77. Confused  |  April 29, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    I heard from a source close to the principal that the re-test at South Loop did happen. Of course, it was kept “hush hush.”

    We have been at South Loop for years and I am so glad both my children will be together at a different school next year. The principal at South Loop has never acknowledged me even though she sees my pick up my children everyday. She continues laughing and joking with her afterschool staff and ignores me. (The afterschool staff there is a little stuck on themselves too.) I don’t know if this has happened to anyone else. The principal at our new school is so nice and friendly. The principal says hi to everyone in the hallway everytime I visit.

  • 78. towondering  |  April 29, 2010 at 2:22 pm


    This is where the lack of discretion this year hurts, in situations like yours. In other years the principal could use the spot to help you get both of your children in. I may be wrong but I don’t think you can actually register at more than one school – given what you described and assuming the schools are equal on other factors I would register DD at the one where DS is more likely to get in.

  • 79. momtoAKJ  |  April 29, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    @Miasmom – what do you mean by cutoffs for the gifted programs? Is that the lowest score accepted at that school so far in your tier?

  • 80. if you don't have anything nice to say...  |  April 29, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Do not claim administrators are re-testing in September with no proof. There are many beginning of the year assessments in a school. A parent could completely misinterpret what is actually going on at a school.

  • 81. Miasmom  |  April 29, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Yes that is the lowest score selected at those schools in round 1 tier 3.

  • 82. Confused  |  April 29, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    @if you don’t have anything nice to say…

    Ok, so please tell me how some kids from the neighborhood program got moved into the gifted program all of a sudden…………………Do you think ALL these kids from the neighborhood program were the next in line with their test scores?

    So a politians child was in my child’s pre-k class and I asked him where his child would be attending K. He gave me the names of 3 very good schools and told me that he hasn’t decided yet. And I told him that it was wonderful that his child got lotteried into these schools. His response was that he didn’t even apply and said, “I’m a polititian, wink, wink.”

    So don’t tell me that shaninigans don’t happen, cause they do……………………

  • 83. moving on  |  April 29, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Confused it is too bad it didn’t work out for you at this school, but if your kids were happy and they liked their teachers then be thankful for that and let the rest go and focus on the future.

  • 84. Worry Wart  |  April 29, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Hi everyone,

    I heard that the admissions process will be changing next year. Has anyone else heard this? If so, will the policy for admitting siblings in magnet schools be at risk of going back to the sibling lottery? Or would it relate to the process for gifted/classical schools and this whole tier system stuff?

  • 85. amy  |  April 30, 2010 at 9:50 am,0,4871496.story

    I’m so happy that Ron Huberman hasn’t suffered the consequences of major CPS cutbacks, especially in this economy. It’s better for the CPS teachers, students, and families to bear the brunt.

  • 86. mimimama  |  April 30, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    I spoke to someone at gifted and enriched program. They told me they were not sure if they were sending letters or making phone calls. Is anyone gotten any clarity on when and how this is going to happen. I am hopeful but nervous about this entire process and information will soothe my lunacy.

  • 87. Miasmom  |  April 30, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    That’s really funny. They told me it would for sure be letters. I love how they give eveybody different answers.

  • 88. another mom  |  April 30, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    When I called today the woman I spoke to said that in some cases letters would be sent and some calls too. Yet another answer…

    She wouldn’t tell me the cut off score for my school of choice in round 1, but she did tell me how many spots are open for round 2. Only one in my tier right now.

  • 89. christine  |  April 30, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Worry Wart. The admissions process has to change for next year. The 2010 Census didn’t ask for socioeconomic data such as income and that’s a factor that goes into the tiering. Without that info, the criteria will have to be altered. IMO.

  • 90. parent  |  April 30, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Does anyone know if prek for all has been cut at LaSalle II? Or if kinder will be half or full day? If not, why? Also know of other schools that will still have full day prek and kinder. Why the differences? Can anyone explain? Is the funding different?

    Class size varies greatly from school to school…what union contract?! There have been class sizes throughout the city with 33 and 34 for years now. If a class is at 37 or 38 in October it isn’t enough to open another entire class. Class sizes over the number stated in the contract is common and now that it is even higher the class sizes will probably be 35 plus with few adjustments come October.

    Does anyone really know that magnet, gifted or classical schools can determine the class size? Are they not expected to work with the same formula for staffing as other schools? Grants and discretionary funds may account for some differences otherwise they should have the same requirements for staffing.

  • 91. Miasmom  |  April 30, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    @another mom- does that mean that they have run the list for round 2? They couldn’t or wouldn’t tell me how many spots at the beginning of the week because they hadn’t even re-sorted the list.

  • 92. Hawthorne mom  |  May 1, 2010 at 7:15 am

    @parent 90,
    The union contract, when it comes to class sizes, is basically useless. There is no way to really protest a “too large” class size and the ctu is prevented by law from striking or bargaining over class size (unlike every single other district in the state).
    That said, there is an interesting thing going on. Classrooms have to be a certain size per person according to fire code. Of course, this has been over looked for years and will probably be over looked again, but it might help keep class sizes slightly smaller than proposed. The CTU is attempting to use fire code to help their cause. From my perspective as a union member, it is the single smartest thing they have done this entire year.

  • 93. cps teacher  |  May 1, 2010 at 9:37 am

    @parent 90-

    PFA funding was restored across the city at all schools. All schools will maintain their PFA programs including Vick and Stock that were all over the news.

  • 94. cps teacher  |  May 1, 2010 at 9:38 am

    @parent 90

    PFA has not had full day classrooms for many years. The few remaining Head Start full day classrooms are slated to go half day in the fall….

  • 95. Worry Wart  |  May 1, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    @89 Christine. Good point,…thanks! My reason for asking:
    We didn’t receive an offer for gifted/classical but I managed to get a spot at a great magnet for my oldest for K so I’m a happy camper. I have another entering K in a bit but who cares? She’ll just mosey into Sheridan with her big sister, right?So, there. It’s all worked out! In theory I don’t have to go through this horrendous admissions process again until high school giving me a few years to get my sanity back! My spider sense, however, is sensing danger. Especially, if people continue to get angry/frustrated
    because siblings are taking up all of the K spots. Which, I understand. I had to wait in line, too.

  • 96. KS  |  May 1, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Off topic, but I registered my kids for the northwestern CTD summer program in March and received an acceptance email from them shortly after saying I would get an acceptance packet in the mail or email in several weeks. I still haven’t gotten anything (I don’t think). Have other people received their acceptance packets for the Leapfrog program? If so, I will try to do a little more digging around my house, before I call them. TIA!

  • 97. hawthorne mom  |  May 1, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    I teach in the Leapfrog program and my daughter also will attend this summer. Yes, we got our packet a while ago. Call CTD and ask.
    Enjoy the program–it is fabulous!

  • 98. cpsnewbie  |  May 1, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    My son is going to Leapfrog as well. I also received an email stating the course he was taking, but no acceptance packet. i guess I’ll call as well.

  • 99. wondering  |  May 2, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    hey guys has any body heard anything from the start of the second round its making me nervous. i heard skinner north still has a lot of seats left…

  • 100. KS  |  May 2, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Thanks, hawthorne mom! It looks like a great program! I will give them a call tomorrow.

  • 101. EDB  |  May 3, 2010 at 8:42 am

    @ CPS, Hawthorne & KS,
    I just had my son tested at CTD. He won’t test for CPS until this winter. I’m curious how similar the CTD vs. CPS scores were for you.
    Our neighborhood school is unacceptable, so I’m trying to get some sort of sense of how our son will test for CPS. May need to start looking at privates as well…

  • 102. RL Julia  |  May 3, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Unforunately, is seems like the testing part is just the half of it to get into a school…. then there’s the lotteries….

  • 103. KS  |  May 3, 2010 at 9:16 am

    EDB- My kids CTD scores were pretty similar to their CPS scores. One scored slightly higher, one slightly lower. The KTEA-II results seem to match to the classical test and the KBIT-2 the RGC test. That being said, I am sure this isn’t the case for everyone.

  • 104. EDB  |  May 3, 2010 at 9:28 am

    @KS – Thanks. That’s kind of what I figured.

    @ RL Julia – I know the tests are just one part, but if we were missing that part, we’d be down to pure luck. At least with good test scores you have a chance that isn’t pure luck. We’ll also be dealing with lotteries.

  • 105. Hawthorne mom  |  May 3, 2010 at 12:37 pm


    I can’t say how the scores compare because instructors within CTD don’t have to have their kids tested. If we think our kids will thrive in the environment, we can enroll them.
    That said, last year, my daughter was offered a spot at Skinner North (97%, we declined and took the spot that was offered at Hawthorne). Her gifted score was only 123.
    I don’t consider my daughter to be “gifted” in the true sense of the word. Still, she is so motivated, reading an hour or more in her bed at night without prompting and enjoying reading 4th grade books (she’s in K), that I felt the program at CTD would be a good fit.
    When she gets to be about 8 or 9, we will have her tested at CTD to see if she might be able to handle the difficulty of the courses there at that age. I agree with the research that before about 3rd grade, gifted testing is pretty unreliable, and I only had her tested last year because our neighborhood school isn’t good enough and honestly, I was desperate!

  • 106. EDB  |  May 3, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    @Hawthorne Mom

    Thanks for the feedback. I’m not sure that my son is “gifted” either. I know he’s very advanced verbally and read very early, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s gifted. I think he’ll enjoy the CTD programs, he’s a bit bored at his preschool (he doesn’t move into Pre-K until September) and we’d like to keep him motivated.

  • 107. weary  |  May 3, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    I jsut called OAE and thought I’d post an update, I know everyone is looking for info. Round 2 decisions are going out today or tomorrow, not sure of phone vs letter. I was asking about very specific schools for my child, and we live in tier 4. I was told that Coonley Kindergarten has 5 open seats, 4 of which are in tier 4. Edison Kindergarten has 6 open seats, 2 of which are in tier 4. Good luck everyone!

  • 108. Stressed Out  |  May 3, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Thanks for the update. It appears that there are more open seats than I would have anticipated, especially for tier 4.

  • 109. momtoAKJ  |  May 3, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Thanks for the info. Did they happen to say what the cutoff was for Tier 4 for Coonley or Edison?

  • 110. weary  |  May 3, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    I too was surprised at how many openings there were. She wouldn’t tell me the cutoff from round 1, but my daughter has a 144 and she told me that was right on the cusp. I have read on this board of scores lower than that getting in from other tiers, but not sure about tier 4.

  • 111. Mona  |  May 4, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I spoke to someone today and she didn’t want to tell me anything! All she would say was that there was around 3-5 spots for Skinner North for K. She couldn’t give me cutoff score or Tier spots. She also said letters would go out end of this week or next week.

  • 112. Stressed Out  |  May 4, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    @ Mona – So from last week Monday to today Skinner North went from 16 spots to 3-5. So they did start the second round. Why does the OAE give different responses to different people?

  • 113. Mona  |  May 4, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    @Stressed Out,

    She told me they had NOT started the second round but who knows!

  • 114. KS  |  May 4, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    I don’t think they have started round 2 yet. My guess is that they just called all of the non-responders from round 1. Perhaps they had 16 no’s or non-responders as of the original 4/16 deadline. And during OAE’s follow up phone calls, some of them decided to take their spots, leaving 3-5 true vacancies.

  • 115. Montessori mom  |  May 6, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Anyone applying to Pulaski IB? They are having a second round lottery. Are Bucktown families sending there kids to Pulaski Now.
    What’s the deal?

  • 116. waiting  |  May 7, 2010 at 9:36 am

    I called OAE and they said letters are being mailed today to those who got accepted in round 2. They will then follow up with phone calls for acceptance or decline. That’s all they told me. I think it’s different from what they’ve done in the past.

  • 117. wondering  |  May 8, 2010 at 9:34 am

    hey fellow obsessors any news on the second round calls, im sooo nervous????? and dont know what to think about next year the magnet school my dd was accepted to now is 1/2 day she has never gone anywhere 1/2 day its always been full day

  • 118. teacher cuts different at ea school  |  May 8, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Has anyone heard the rumors I’ve heard that the budget cuts are different at each magnet school? I’ve heard that some schools (e.g., Hawthorne) aren’t losing any teachers and other schools are losing several. Does anyone know if that’s true? I even heard that several magnet school lost their magnet teachers, so Oscar Mayer’s Montessori program could keep all theirs. Tell me it’s not true!

  • 119. question  |  May 17, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    To CPS obsessed, I was reading old posts from last year when your son was in kinder. I did not read anywhere about which Montessori school he attended before kinder and was wondering if you would be willing to share?

    @118 teacher cuts seem to vary greatly from school to school. it might be due to different types of funding. Regardless it is completely unfair!

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