The Basics of CPS

This is a work-in-progress about the way CPS works that will hopefully be phrased in normal-person. All information is filtered through my slightly cynical point-of-view about giant bureaucratic organizations.

Here is the info from CPS:

http://www.cps.edu/Contact_CPS/Ask_a_question/Pages/faq.aspx

Q: My child isn’t born yet, do I need to start worrying?

A: Yes and no. Ideally you will rent or purchase a home in a part of Chicago that has a good neighborhood school so you don’t have to agonize about where to send your future child. If you know you’re going to have kids, it really makes sense to research this before you buy a home.

Q: If this is all so difficult, shouldn’t I just move to the suburbs?

A: No. It will slowly make your soul wither. And the taxes are way higher.

Q: How do I know what school my child can attend?

A: Every home is Chicago has one neighborhood elementary school assigned to it. If you live within that school’s boundaries, your child is guaranteed admission at any time. To determine the school boundaries for an address, look here:   http://schoollocator.cps.k12.il.us.  Note the giant disclaimer. This information can change so you should double check in as many ways possible (call the school (twice,) ask parents you see on the playground, call CPS, etc.) Also be aware that 2 sides of a street may be in different school zones. i.e. if Western Ave is a border, the east side is probably in one zone and the west side in another.

You can see a more helpful, paper version of the map in the CPS Elementary and Preschool Directory.  These are usually available at the library for free.  Again, always call to double check before buying/renting a home!

If you get stuck or find conflicting data, try calling CPS’s demographic department at 773-553-3270.

Q: How do I know if my neighborhood school is good?

A: “Good” is a relative assessment. If you like data, test scores can be a decent indicator of academic success. See here: http://www.cps.edu/Schools/Find_a_school/Pages/Findaschool.aspx.  Keep in mind that test scores only reflect those of kids in grades 3-8. Currently in Chicago, lower-income kids test lower than higher-income kids, so a school with a heavy population of low-income 3-8th graders may look low on test scores, but the younger students in Prek-2nd grade may be a different story.   Other ways to find out about schools are on npnparents.org discussion boards and greatschools.net. Take a tour of the school. Hang out at the school playground to talk to people whose kids are enrolled. An active parent or “friends of” group can be a good sign of support and involvement.  There are likely plenty of CPS schools that have a good principal and devoted teachers that just aren’t on people’s radar yet.

Some neighborhood schools have Magnet Cluster status, but that doesn’t mean they are like the other Magnet schools that use a lottery.  Magnet Cluster means the school has a special focus like Fine Arts or Literature.

Q: If my neighborhood school isn’t good (or doesn’t have strong enrollment) can I do anything about that?

A: Yes, if you’re willing to bust your ass.  It’s not as simple as calling CPS and demanding change/resources.  But one of the great changes that has happened in the past few years in CPS is that groups of neighbors have gotten together to help their neighborhood schools flourish.  This includes fundraising, getting on the Local School Council, marketing the school to help attract other families, and working with the school’s principal to offer support and resources and to let them know that a group of local parents will be holding them to high standards.  Getting involved in your neighborhood school can be a great experience – you can really create a sense of community by working together.  And there’s nothing better than having all the kids in the neighborhood go to school together.  It’s worth all the effort but takes a couple high energy yet diplomatic people who can lead the troops.

Q: What is there beyond the neighborhood school?

A: Chicago has Magnet, Charter, Gifted, and Classical programs/schools.  (And something weird called Magnet Clusters but those don’t really count.)

Magnet – These school admit students based on a lottery system.  Students from anywhere in the city can attend.  These schools tend to have higher test scores because they attract families who are willing to send their kid out of the neighborhood for more academic rigor.  The Magnet schools get a few extra resources than the neighborhood schools do (such as full day Kindergarten guaranteed.)  Some magnet schools are very difficult (impossible) to get into because so many kids apply each year.  (Note: For the selection process for Magnet schools for school year 2010/2011 CPS is trying out a new way to balance students.   More spots will be given to in-neighborhood kids and siblings.  See more info here: http://cps.edu/Pages/newadmissionsplan.aspx

Charter – These are little schools that are allowed to operate outside the normal CPS rules, even hiring non-union teachers.  I realize I have no idea how one gets their kid into a charter school or how hard it is to get in.  Have to look into that one…..

Gifted – These are schools or programs within schools that kids have to test into based on logic and reasoning abilities.  Most kids enter in Kindergarten or 1st grade and are then guaranteed a spot until 8th grade.  Classes are taught at 1-2 grade levels above the standard CPS curriculum and the kids are *theoretically* given projects and work that is more in-depth.   Testing is done by the GEAP office.

Classical – These schools are geared to kids who excel in reading and math and the classes are taught at 1-2 grade levels above the CPS curriculum.  Kids test into these program (on a GEAP test that is separate from the Gifted test.)  Kids enter in Kindergarten.  The curriculum is more classical/traditional and Latin is taught.

GEAP info: http://www.cps.edu/Programs/Academic_and_enrichment/GiftedandEnriched/Pages/GiftedandEnriched.aspx

Other Neighborhood Schools - You can send your child to a neighborhood school outside your own by entering the school’s lottery.  Some schools can take a lot of students because they have extra space while others (like Bell) take no students outside the neighborhood.  A few years ago, many of the North side neighborhood schools were taking lottery kids but as enrollment has grown, that options has become less fruitful.

Here is the form to use.  Mail it to each school.

http://www.cps.edu/Spotlight/Pages/Spotlight15.aspx

Q: Is there any other way to get my child into a school?

A: One option is to pick a pre-school based on where you want to stay for elementary.  Many schools let out-of-neighborhood kids stay on so PreK can be a good way to get your foot in the door.  Some have free Pre-School For All, while others have only Tuition-Based Pre-K (such as Alcott.)

Also, principals have a few spots each year that they can use at their discretion.  If you can get to know the principal and show that you are very interested in the school (and getting involved) you may be able to secure a spot.  Magnet schools often use these spaces for sibling of older students and Gifted/Classical schools do not select their own students (this is done through GEAP.)

Q: When do I apply to the schools?

A: For the Options schools (magnet, gifted, classical, other neighborhood schools) you apply during the Fall of the school year BEFORE your child will attend school.  For many people, this is the year your child is age 4 (their 2nd year of Prek.)  Applications are usually due the 3rd week in December (see the CPS site for the exact date.)  So yes, you are forced to think about what school your current 4-year-old might excel in when they are an 8th grader – a concept that can fry a parent’s mind.

The deadline for applying this year was December 18, 2009 for the 2010/2011 school year.   Testing for gifted/classical programs takes place in Nov – Feb.  You must have submitted your application for testing by Dec 18.

Q: How many schools can I apply to?

A: All of them.  There is no limit to the number of magnet or neighborhood schools to which you can apply.  But you DO have to send an application to each magnet/neighborhood school you are interested in.  The gifted/classical schools are selected on one common form that is used when you register for the tests.  You can select up to 6 (combined gifted and classical) and you must rank them in order of preference.

Q: What do I need to do to apply?

A: For the magnet and neighborhood schools, you must send an application to each school (or take it in in person.)  If you have a particular school you like, it’s worth checking (perhaps more than once) that they truly have your application on file and in the CPS lottery system.  People have had bad experiences of finding out too late that their application was lost in the black hole of a school office and there is no, I repeate NO recourse once the deadline has passed.

For the gifted/classical schools you don’t send anything to each school.  You submit the test application form to the GEAP office and they (quite efficiently) handle it all.  There are 2 tests your child can take – Gifted and Classical that measure different skills.  When you select your top 6 schools n the form, they determine which test/s your child will take based on which schools you chose.  In theory, it’s worth selecting at least 1 of each type so your child takes both tests before Kindergarten.  Even if you don’t like the current options, who knows what CPS might open at the last minute?

Q: Can I  just apply to all the schools and tour the ones I get into?

A:  No – it can’t be that easy.  Some of the schools offer very limited or even NO tours after the notification dates.  So you might be offered a spot and need to make a decision in 48 hours but you can’t get a tour in that timeframe.   There is a collossal waste of human time as parents tour tons of schools, only to get a spot in 1 or 2 (or none) of them.  But overall, I am a fan of touring schools if you have time.  I will help you evaluate a school on short notice and also help you assess your neighborhood school.

Q: What are the odds of my child getting into a magnet school via the lottery?

A: It depends on the school, but overall, getting into one specific school you want is pretty slim.  For instance Hawthorne had over 1000 applications for 2 Kindergarten classes (56 spots.)  Many people who get their lottery ranking don’t even get a number – just a “no.”   Naturally, the more magnet schools you apply to, the better your odds of getting into one.  Further, in the current system, there are 2 lotteries per school – one for Caucasian students and one for Minority students (Af-Am, Asian, Hispanic, Other.)  You decide how to identify you child and nobody checks on it from what I hear.  The % of spots for Caucasians is a max of 35% per class.  As a result, if your child is Caucasian, a school like Hawthorne probably has 20 spots possible for your child (10, if you take gender into account.)

Q: What are my child’s odds of getting into a Gifted/Classical school?

A: That totally depends on their test scores.  The GEAP offices ranks the kids (2 lists, Caucasian and non-) by test score and hands out the spots going down the list, based on the preferences you listed.  Kids who score in the 97-99% percentile (meaning they scored better than most of the kids in the country) are typically offered a spot somewhere.  Lower than that, your child may be offered spots as they open up throughout the summer or at the very begining of the school year.

Q: Do siblings get priority in the schools?

A: In neighborhood schools, a sibling in the neighborhood gets in automatically of course.  If the older sibling is out-of-hood, the younger will *usually* be given a spot by the principal, but there is not a total guarantee. Always best to keep up with the principal to see how enrollment is looking.  the have to give priority to the neighborhood kids.

In magnet schools, the principals usually try to get the siblings in, but there have been years where there are a lot of siblings and it can get stressful waiting to see if the younger kids are in.

In gifted/classical schools, there is NO sibling preference at all.  The younger sibling must test in, just like the older one did.  Which is simultaneously fair and inefficient as families with several smart kids may end up with them at different gifted/classical/neighborhood schools.

Q: Can I sign my child up at 2 CPS schools and decide later which one I will send them to?

A: No, you can only be registered at 1 CPS school at a time.  If Magnet school X calls to offer you a spot and you accept, you will be un-enrolled for next year at your current school.  Make sure you plan it out strategically.

Q: Is the gifted/classical testing accurate?

A: From what I’ve read, testing at the preK level can be a crapshoot, depending on your child’s mood that day.  I’ve heard that if a kid tests well, they probably really ARE very smart, but many smart kids won’t test well for a variety of reasons.  So there are many false negatives, but few false positives.   Testing before 1st grade is probably a bit more reliable since kids are less shy and less apt to be having a random meltdown the day of the test.

Q: What is on the Gifted/Classical tests?  How can they test kids so young?

A: That is one of the best-kept secrets in the city (in a city where not much is kept secret any more.)  For some reason the kids don’t talk afterwards and nobody in CPS will divulge any details.  My personal best guess is that the Gifted test is the Sanford-Binet (an IQ test,) but that is just speculation and I can’t find any samples of that test online anywhere.  I imagine that the Classical test is checking pre-reading and math skills since that is the emphasis of the curriculum.

19 Comments Add your own

  • 1. Kinder Mom  |  March 31, 2009 at 10:40 am

    My daughter tested into SkinnerNorth for next year – should parents be concerned about the location of the new school? We are not originally from Chicago but I read that the new location will either be at the current OGDEN location or at the old Schiller School location?

  • 2. Mom of 2  |  March 31, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    If it helps, my 4-year-old took the gifted test and told me that it was a lot of pictures and questions like “which one doesn’t belong?”

  • 3. KF  |  April 1, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    My son also tested into Skinner North. I got the call that it will be at the Schiller location. I don’t particulary like the location, as it is right across from the Cabrini-Green projects, but ultimately, it is about what goes on inside the school. The building is nothing to be desired. Kids from the projects went there, so you can imagine aesthically, it isn’t appealing. No upkeep. I hope this changes for the families of Skinner. It is a rapidly changing area, though. The projects are being demolished and townhomes are going up. You should not have anything to worry about. Skinner is a GREAT school . My son won a spot at Hawthorne, which is about 10 minutes from our house. So he will be there. The best of luck to you!

  • 4. Kinder Mom  |  April 3, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    My husband and I attended a Skinner North Open House today – many parents are very concerned about the safety issues of the neighborhood since the location is likely to be Schiller. The principal assured everyone that police presence would be increased! would feel better if police presence wasn’t necessary at all….

  • 5. SS  |  April 16, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    I wouldn’t worry about the Schiller location. I lived in that area from 2000-2005 (when it was REALLY the ‘hood) and it is a great up-and-coming area. Further, I worked as a softball coach in Cabrini…The kids there are wonderful and many of the parents are too. It’s all about your attitude. The people who live there are families with kids and some hard times…There are some rough folks there too but most of that is gone. There is also a police department (Halsted and Division) and fire department right there. All will be fine.

  • 6. andrea  |  September 21, 2009 at 10:18 am

    What would you suggest someone in my situation do?

    My daughter is in first grade in Florida, we’re thinking of moving within the next year to Chicago… would like to live in the city, but would consider the ‘burbs if it didn’t work out.

    Our 6 year old is bright and being tested for the gifted program in our local school, but not until Winter Break.

    Behind her, I have two boys… 3 year old in private pre-school (that’s the only option here) and a baby. I’d like them all in the same school eventually.

    Do we start the whole process NOW just in case? if we don’t move next fall, and she *is* accepted into a school and we say “no”, will that hurt her for the NEXT round of admissions or do we just start all over again. I would also need to prep. my 3 year old for testing as well, right?

    Any neighborhood suggestions for a young family of 5?

  • 7. cpsobsessed  |  September 22, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Hi Andrea – give me another day or 2 and I’ll respond. I’m in the middle of a remodeling project and need a few more days until sanity returns!

  • 8. andrea  |  September 23, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Thank you, I completely understand and do appreciate it!

    FWIW, I thought it was a PITA to work through the Florida bureaucracy… this seems like it might become a part-time job for me. Fun! (not at all)

  • 9. cpsobsessed  |  September 28, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Andrea – I would definitely get in on the testing if you can. Would you come up here for it? Or is there a way to arrange it from a distance? There is no penalty for taking the test and turning down a spot. Tons of people do it every year – mainly because their child gets in a school that isn’t close to their home so they turn it down. Nobody in CPS keeps track.

    There isn’t anything you’d need to do to prep your 3 year old except to make them smart (ha ha.) Kids get test when they’re 4 for entry into the Kindergarten gifted classes. Most people don’t do any prep at that age, but if the child is bright it probably makes sense to push them into reading 2/3 letter words if at all possible (for the classical test.)

    Getting 3 kids into one gifted/classical school is pretty hard since they each need to test in (no sibling pref given.) That’s why it’s nice to go with the schools that have a gifted and a neighborhood program in case one of the kids has an off day when testing.

    As for neighborhoods, I’m mainly familiar with the north side and the good kid places tend to be around the “good” schools. There are now a lot so you need to decide what type of neighborhood you like combined with what conveniences you want, and availability of transportation for your work.

    Schools like Nettelhorst and Blaine (Lakeview) are close to more shops/restaurants whereas Ravenswood Manor and Old Irving park are a little more family-oriented, which is nice but you don’t get as “urban” a feel. Mainly you gotta just check them out and see what seems to fit (along with the local school.) Good luck and let me know if you have any more questions!

  • 10. andrea  |  September 29, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Okay, make him smart… got it! ;) I’m taking notes, reading (reading and more reading) and am wittling down the neighborhoods (we’re sticking to the North side, I think…). I am grateful for your blog and opinions. Looooove mom-pinions – they’re very helpful for outsiders like me. Thank you for your help!

  • 11. Dan Z  |  September 30, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    This is incredibly helpful. Would you consider adding some information, if you know it, about how preschool slots are determined?

  • 12. amy  |  November 13, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    does anyone know anything about Audubon’s lottery? if it is difficult to get in?

  • 13. IJB  |  March 22, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    This is a comment on the testing for Kindergarten: After my daugher finished her testing she told me in detail what the testing was like. I asked her several weeks later and she told me basically the same thing. Firstly she noted there were puzzles but not real puzzles. She said there were three workbooks. One had pictures of what didn’t belong. The second book was words without pictures for her to read. The third she said had different numbers in rows. Sounds like the OLSAT to me.

  • 14. Anxious Dad  |  March 26, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    I’m happy to report that my kid got accepted to the South Loop Regional Gifted Center. The sense of relief that has overcome me makes me feel like I’m in a Calgon commercial.

  • 15. Julie  |  April 13, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Does anyone know anything about Budlong? It’s our neighborhood school and I have an almost 4 year old and I’m starting to stress about kindergarten!
    Thanks!

  • 16. Edna Navarro-Vidaurre  |  April 28, 2010 at 12:10 am

    You mentioned magnet school principals being able to get siblings in. In the past this was called principal picks. Is this practice still available? The following situation is why I ask:

    My situation is this: my son has gotten into the pk program at a pk-8 school, but I’m not happy about pulling him from his current pk cps program because the program he got into is not the same quality program that he is currently in. The problem is that I’m worried about losing our K spot if I don’t enroll him at the pk level. However he is a sibling and if we chose not to send him to the lower quality pk program, we take a chance of not getting in for K. What’s your advice?

  • 17. howie  |  May 10, 2010 at 11:40 am

    It is indeed somewhat commonly believed that, in fact, it is the CLASSICAL test that is the Stanford Binet. The scores line up perfectly with my son’s independent testing and NU, as well.

    I am not sure why the distinctions are made that the Classical school kids are not ‘truly gifted’. They, in fact, very much are just that. Most, however are so much so that they are opposed to the Linear thinking of the Gifted Test. I know my son was. He is one of the ‘few that spoke’, lol! And speak he did, about how the ‘tester guy’ was a ‘doofus’ because he showed him pictures of cat, dog, bone and asked which two pictures went together. Ds said ‘cat and dog’. The ‘correct’ answer was ‘dog and bone’. My son apparently argued with ‘tester guy’ (lol, HIS words, at age 4!) that dogs like to chase cats, so that he in fact was ALSO correct. Um, that was his ‘last question’ for the Gifted. (ds also pointed out that of course he picked Cat, because CATS are his FAVORITE animal! A common story-thread in Classical students, fyi.) He is currently at Decatur.

    I also strongly believe many test higher on the Classical because that test is admin’d by IIT, rather than CPS. IIT ‘officials’ are far, far more invested than the beaurocracy of CPS employees. As a product of the ‘intital’ GEAP programs at Kellog (1981, grade 4) and Morgan Park High School’s 7th and 8th, and IS for HS (1984-1990) I must say the programs have improved, if the politicism has not. Most children in my son’s testing year had such OBNOXIOUS ranges btwn their Classical and or Gifted scores… almost NONE did well on the Gifted that year. Strange as it was… it was the common denominator. Hence the theory of CPS tester and or testing times being responsible. I know this… don’t give a kid the Classical test at 6pm on a Tues, and have him return the very next morning by 7am for the Gifted. Totally uncouthe when dealing with small children!

    I would not be so sure that GEAP principals get NO say in a ‘few lil PTA picks’ for their schools. I am sorry but at Decatur EVERY LSC and or PTA ‘officer’ get’s ALL their subsequent children in. LITERALLY and statistically impossible. Maybe other schools do not practice this but I would bet Ms. K @ Decatur Classical indeed does!!!

  • 18. Amy  |  June 11, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    @howie I totally agree with you about this decatur thing..I know a number of parents whose all 2- 3 kids are at decatur and they are either on LSC or PTA!!! They will say”we were just lucky” and my second child did not make it even with a high score…as I work full time and i cannot put in any time at school even if I want to.

  • 19. Holly  |  July 12, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    This has been a great resources to me. thanks. after leaving chicago 9 years ago we’re thinking of buying a home back in chicago with the hope of moving “home” at some point with two small children in tow these days we’re trying to iron out the school details in advance of a move back so many thanks for the effort here.

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