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Comment on Principal Selection by cps mom

cps mom — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 04:51:08 +0000

I really hate to be offensive BUT jeez Angie give it a rest!! This is not the Howard Stern blog…….

Comment on Principal Selection by cps mom

cps mom — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 04:49:05 +0000

Burley’ s AP ended up with the job.

Comment on Principal Selection by cps mom

cps mom — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 04:46:32 +0000

It is interesting that the principal vacancy at Burley elementary school only received 21 resumes. This confirms the shortage that many people mentioned. It is odd, in the burbs you hear of hundreds competing for one vacancy.

Comment on Principal Selection by SoxSideIrish4

SoxSideIrish4 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:57:22 +0000

#183~Angie~SB7 dictates that CTU can’t bring up anything that CPS doesn’t bring up at the table and Rahm is not bringing anything up. Angie, this has been in the paper, I’m surprised you aren’t aware of this. CTU has made it clear on their website and CPS has distorted the truth abt the class size clause.

Comment on Principal Selection by Frank Thompson

Frank Thompson — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 02:08:37 +0000

How can you tell if a music or drama teacher is a bad teacher when you are evaluating them on something they are not responsible for teaching? If you want music and drama teachers to teach reading, they are no longer doing their job.

And if you pay more to the physics teacher than the first grade teacher you are by definition devaluing the first grade teacher.

And in my analogy of course the car washers lose their job if they are not washing the car, just as bad teachers are fired ( tenure or not) for not doing their job. The saying that they can’t be fired is a myth because I have witnessed it.

How many car washer get commission from the car salesmen? None because that isn’t their job, just like its not the job of a
Music teacher to teach reading.

Education is not a buisness. And until you understand that you will continue to be clueless.

Comment on Principal Selection by Angie

Angie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:59:05 +0000

@182. Frank Thompson: Test scores are only a part of music and drama teachers’ evaluation, so no one is getting rid of them. But they could help us get rid of the bad teachers.

” Why don’t you go work selling cars but get paid by how clean the cars look when they are washed and see how that works for you.”

Why don’t you try selling filthy cars and see how that works for you? If the car washer is not doing his job, everyone in the dealership suffers, so wouldn’t it make sense to get him to improve or show him the door?

Comment on Principal Selection by Angie

Angie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:46:33 +0000

@178. SoxSideIrish4 : The only way to find out which side lies is to make both proposals *in their entirety* available to the public, or at least to the teachers who are directly affected by them. Why hasn’t this been done?

180. Frank Thompson: “And what do you mean teach more difficult subjects? So we want all the smart teacher teaching physics but the dumb ones teaching first grade? Yeah that makes sense.”

No, actually we want the dumb ones out of the classroom altogether. But if teaching physics, or working with completely unprepared low-income kindergarteners is more difficult, why shouldn’t we reward teachers for it?

Comment on Principal Selection by Frank Thompson

Frank Thompson — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:32:38 +0000

Oh so you want to get rid of
Music/art/drama? Because if what they do has no measurable value then why have them. Why don’t you go work selling cars but get paid by how clean the cars look when they are washed and see how that works for you.

Comment on Principal Selection by Angie

Angie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:28:33 +0000

@176. frank thompson: Thanks for the link. So only 1 out of 4 authors says that the merit pay won’t work, period, while the others explain why it may not have worked before, or how to make it better. That’s a start.

“What if you are a 5th grade teacher and get a kid reading at a 2nd grade level? ”

You improve their reading as best as you can, and your value-added scores will reflect that.

“How do you pay merit pay to music/art/drama?”

They will be evaluated on the school-wide scores, which will add a little peer pressure to the necessity of removing the bad teachers from the classrooms. That’s not such a bad thing.

““Bad teachers” should have been let go by their administration during their probationary years.”

And if they weren’t, for whatever reason, does that mean that the school system is stuck with them forever? It shouldn’t be so ridiculously difficult to fire a bad teacher. The current procedures benefit no one, except the bad teachers themselves, and the union collecting their dues.

Comment on Principal Selection by Frank Thompson

Frank Thompson — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:26:56 +0000

I’ll tell you one thing I know that isn’t in the cos website: they want to evaluate music/art/drama teachers not on their merits but by the average literacy growth scores. Angie, at least in the corporate world you have a say over your own compensation. In CPS world, unless you teach reading or math you don’t.

And what do you mean teach more difficult subjects? So we want all the smart teacher teaching physics but the dumb ones teaching first grade? Yeah that makes sense.